In this episode, Max and Nafkote interview Grace Blakeley, an economist and author, about the rise of oligarchy and the relationship between billionaires, corporations, and the state.

Grace discusses the close relationship between the American political establishment and the billionaire class, highlighting how modern capitalist economies are characterized by a fusion of public and private power serving the interests of the wealthy. She also addresses the rise of the far right and its ties to big money, drawing parallels with historical fascism.

Grace is the author of the book Vulture Capitalism, and a contributing editor to Tribune. Additionally, she authors a weekly newsletter, "What Can We Do," focused on fighting individualism and building collective power to combat inequality.

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