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(00:00:00) AI as a tool, a partner, and an opportunity

(00:03:49) Making sense of another major technology shift

(00:05:21) Getting started with AI through small experiments

(00:06:34) Checking answers and improving your prompts

(00:10:23) Moving past fear and testing your assumptions

(00:15:02) AI as a learning tool and thinking partner

(00:17:05) Lessons from the conversational technology behind Hello Barbie

(00:21:31) Why real conversations challenge product design

(00:23:59) Faster development and changing competitive advantages

(00:27:38) More AI products and a noisier marketplace

(00:31:47) Where entrepreneurs should begin

(00:32:54) Start with the customer and validate the problem

(00:34:09) Test how you will reach and acquire customers

(00:36:15) Supporting the guest and sharing the conversation

Where should an entrepreneur start with AI? Michael Fitzpatrick joins NaRon Tillman to explain why understanding the customer still comes before choosing the technology—and how to begin experimenting without losing sight of the problem you want to solve.
Drawing on his experience with the conversational technology behind Hello Barbie, Michael discusses prompting, learning with AI, checking its answers, and asking it to challenge your assumptions. They also explore how faster software development changes competition, why product features alone may be harder to defend, and what that means for reaching customers.
This conversation is for nontechnical entrepreneurs, creators, and business owners who want a clearer way to evaluate AI opportunities. It brings the discussion back to customer needs, useful experiments, and validating demand before investing heavily in a product.
Your next move: Write down one customer problem, speak to someone who experiences it, and define the smallest useful test before choosing an AI tool. Share this episode with an entrepreneur navigating AI, and follow Walk In Victory.

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(00:00:00) Leadership is a skill you can develop

(00:02:17) When useful patterns become leadership limits

(00:05:16) The shift from individual contributor to manager

(00:09:10) Team leadership, role clarity, and strategic time

(00:12:54) Growing into CEO responsibilities

(00:17:43) Outdated patterns, power, and emotional intelligence

(00:22:12) Using feedback to untangle leadership habits

(00:25:21) Why leaders need to keep learning

(00:26:16) Marcia's approach to teaching leadership through story

(00:27:54) Repetition, identity, and micro-movements

(00:30:47) Putting self-awareness into practice

The habits that helped you succeed can become the patterns that limit your leadership. Executive coach Marcia Ruben joins NaRon Tillman to explore leadership neuroscience, self-awareness, and the shift from being the person with every answer to developing the people around you.
Marcia explains how recurring beliefs about control, perfection, and attention can become thought knots. Together, they discuss the transition from individual contributor to manager, the need for role clarity, and why leaders must make space for strategic thinking, feedback, and continued learning.
For new managers, experienced executives, and founders growing a team, this conversation connects internal patterns with everyday leadership behavior. The practical work begins with noticing what you keep repeating—and asking whether it still serves the role you hold today.
Your next move: Identify one leadership habit you rely on under pressure, then ask a trusted colleague how it affects the team. Share this episode with a leader navigating a new level of responsibility, and follow Walk In Victory.

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(00:00:00) Why real friendship matters

(00:02:12) What makes someone a friend?

(00:03:52) Friendship, marriage, and different kinds of love

(00:06:01) Depth of connection and three kinds of friendship

(00:08:36) Far Rockaway and the friendships that become family

(00:13:01) The assumption that keeps people from reaching out

(00:16:47) Protecting friendship through disagreement

(00:20:56) Caring without keeping score

(00:22:19) The friend who helped launch Walk In Victory

(00:25:57) Making friendship an intentional priority

(00:28:54) Bullying, belonging, and supporting young people

(00:33:34) Growth, honesty, and learning to be a better friend

(00:35:32) How to Do Friendship and The Bruce Projects

(00:37:15) Growing beyond the labels you carry

You can have a full contact list and still feel short on real friendship. Bruce Stachenfeld joins NaRon Tillman to explore how adults build meaningful connections, move beyond the fear of rejection, and protect friendships through disagreement.
Drawing on his work on How to Do Friendship, Bruce distinguishes friendships built around pleasure, usefulness, and deeper care. NaRon shares how growing up in Far Rockaway shaped his understanding of community—and how a friend's investment helped launch his podcast.
The conversation moves through political differences, keeping score, honest feedback, and the choice to make friendship an intentional part of life. For entrepreneurs, professionals, and anyone rebuilding a circle of support, this episode offers a reminder to make space for relationships alongside achievement.
Your next move: Reach out to one person you value without needing a business reason or a favor. Share this episode with a friend who has helped you see your blind spots, and follow Walk In Victory.
Connect with Bruce: https://thebruceprojects.com/

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(00:00:00) The trap of chasing undefined success

(00:03:09) Why the pursuit of success can consume your identity

(00:07:19) Growing from business owner into leader

(00:10:07) Delegation and a business that can run without you

(00:13:28) Keeping success connected to your values

(00:15:02) A business philosophy that takes care of people

(00:17:15) Turning personal know-how into repeatable systems

(00:21:56) Consistency and the customer experience

(00:22:56) Protecting your life outside the business

(00:25:07) AI tools and the value of human coaching

(00:27:20) Supporting the conversation and taking action

If your business only works when you never stop working, what kind of success are you building? Leadership coach Carla Coates joins NaRon Tillman to discuss entrepreneurial identity, delegation, business systems, and protecting your life while you grow.

Carla shares lessons from taking on too much, learning to lead rather than carrying every task, and building a team that can function when she steps away. The conversation examines how a clear business philosophy, repeatable processes, and honest feedback help founders move beyond doing everything themselves.

They also discuss the role of human coaching alongside AI tools and why success needs a definition that includes the person behind the business. This episode is for entrepreneurs and leaders who want growth with greater clarity, consistency, and room to live.

Your next move: Define what success means beyond revenue, then identify one responsibility that needs a clearer process or owner. Share this with a founder who struggles to step away, and follow Walk In Victory.

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(00:00:00) Leadership, identity, and staying human

(00:03:45) What detachment means for identity

(00:04:47) Leading without hiding parts of yourself

(00:07:01) The overload modern leaders carry

(00:08:12) Emotional intelligence and shared leadership

(00:09:49) The Mosaic Matrix: examining structural problems

(00:12:08) Belonging without erasing who you are

(00:14:40) Workplace expectations after COVID

(00:17:12) Recognizing organizational warning signs

(00:19:57) Seeing disruption before it forces a response

(00:21:49) Human creativity and Far Rockaway connections

(00:24:37) Global perspectives on performance and humanity

(00:26:58) Learning, sharing, and the next step

Leadership under pressure can leave you overwhelmed, disconnected, or feeling you must hide parts of yourself to succeed. In this Walk In Victory episode, Dr. Karissa Thomas joins NaRon Tillman to explore how emotional intelligence, authentic leadership, and stronger organizational systems help leaders stay composed without losing their identity or human connection.

For founders, managers, executives, and team leaders, the conversation asks an essential question: is a recurring performance problem really about the person, or about the conditions they are working inside? Dr. Thomas explains why unclear roles, uneven workloads, fragmented communication, and decision-making bottlenecks deserve attention before leaders assume employees need more coaching.

Through her Mosaic Matrix discussion, she connects structural clarity with shared responsibility. When an organization changes but its systems do not, people can be asked to deliver results without knowing who owns a decision, where support comes from, or how responsibilities fit together. Recognizing that pattern creates a practical starting point for organizational change.

The conversation also examines workplace belonging, employee retention, hybrid work, and the difference between contributing to a team and erasing who you are to fit in. NaRon and Dr. Thomas reflect on their Far Rockaway roots, the value of community, and how technology and AI disruption are changing the demands placed on modern leaders.

IN THIS EPISODE

• Emotional intelligence in leadership: communication, conflict, decisions, and trust under pressure.
• Healthy detachment: releasing attachment to outcomes while remaining engaged and responsible.
• Emotional integrity, cultural flexibility, and identity agility as pillars of leadership identity.
• Role clarity, workload distribution, and shared leadership in changing organizations.
• Workplace belonging and why people may choose a better environment over higher pay.
• Remote work, return-to-office tensions, and the changing expectations of work.
• Recognizing warning signs before organizational disruption becomes a crisis.
• Preserving human connection and critical thinking as technology evolves.

KEY TAKEAWAY

You cannot coach someone out of a structural problem. Before treating an employee as the problem, examine the expectations, processes, and support surrounding their work. Performance and humanity belong in the same leadership conversation.

YOUR NEXT MOVE

Choose one recurring team problem. Write down who owns the decision, how the work is distributed, and where communication breaks down. Ask the people doing the work what gets in their way, then choose one practical change to clarify responsibility or share the load. Use that conversation to move from awareness to action.

ABOUT DR. KARISSA THOMAS

Dr. Karissa Thomas is an author, speaker, educator, and advisor whose work focuses on leadership, emotional intelligence, and organizational systems. Learn more about her work and resources through the links below.

CONNECT WITH DR. KARISSA THOMAS

Website: https://drkarissathomas.net/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drkarissathomas/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drkarissat
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/iambossladyk/

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(00:00:00) Who is setting the direction of your day?

(00:02:19) Keeping human connection in a digital world

(00:05:33) Information overload and relying only on data

(00:07:35) Business purpose beyond the numbers

(00:11:36) Mentorship, volunteering, and investing in people

(00:17:23) Leading technology with intention

(00:18:25) A two-minute practice to regain direction

(00:19:47) Adapting to change while staying present

(00:23:39) Breaking the pressure to be always on

(00:26:28) The Digital Compass and noticing where you are

(00:27:40) Awareness, self-talk, and your next move

How do you stay present in an AI-driven world when your phone, notifications, and work keep pulling your attention away? Michael Earls joins NaRon Tillman on Walk In Victory to explore digital distraction, information overload, and practical ways to protect human connection while using technology with intention.

Michael draws on more than 20 years in IT to discuss a tension many professionals recognize: being constantly connected does not necessarily mean knowing where you are going. Artificial intelligence can help with tasks and information, but deciding what matters still calls for personal direction, critical thinking, and relationships with real people.

For entrepreneurs, leaders, technology professionals, and families, this conversation connects attention management with everyday choices. NaRon and Michael examine reaching for a phone before the day begins, feeling pressure to remain available after work, and sitting together while giving more attention to screens than to one another. They discuss how these routines can crowd out conversation, quiet reflection, and a sense of purpose.

The discussion also moves into leadership and decision-making. Michael shares his perspective on the limits of relying only on data, while NaRon connects the topic to understanding customers and the people a business serves. Their conversation invites listeners to examine how they use technology rather than treating speed, more information, or constant activity as direction.

IN THIS EPISODE

• How to stay present while navigating AI and digital distraction.
• Information overload and the difference between having data and finding direction.
• Phone habits, screen-time boundaries, and the pressure of always-on work.
• Protecting human connection through phone-free conversations and shared time.
• Leadership, customer understanding, and human judgment alongside technology.
• Mentorship, career guidance, volunteering, and investing in other people.
• Staying curious and adapting through changes in the technology industry.
• A two-minute morning practice for choosing your direction before the noise begins.

KEY TAKEAWAY

Let technology support the direction you choose. Michael encourages listeners to reconnect with people, make room for quiet, and stop treating every available moment as another opportunity to check a screen. Presence becomes practical when you change a specific habit, not simply when you agree that connection matters.

YOUR NEXT MOVE

Before opening your phone tomorrow morning, take two quiet minutes to ask: What am I trying to accomplish, and where am I going? Choose one priority for the day. Then arrange one conversation with your phone put away so you can give another person your attention. Notice what changes when your tools support your intention instead of setting it.

ABOUT MICHAEL EARLS

Michael Earls works at the intersection of technology, leadership, and human connection. In this interview, he draws on his IT experience, his commitment to mentorship and volunteering, and ideas from his book, The Digital Compass. Explore his writing and resources through the links below.

CONNECT WITH MICHAEL EARLS

Website: https://www.michaelearls.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelearls/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mi.earls/
X: https://x.com/mi_earls
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/michael.earls.5

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(00:00:00) Keeping humanity in the content we create

(00:02:13) Ross on AI-generated feeds and scrolling habits

(00:04:49) Why leaders need a voice in technology

(00:06:33) Making space for human-made content

(00:08:21) AI agreement, critical thinking, and awareness

(00:10:16) The debate over AI access and control

(00:15:42) Creativity and ownership of your ideas

(00:17:28) Human connection beyond the feed

(00:19:33) Digital ministry and being present

(00:23:21) Content authenticity and supporting real creators

(00:26:57) Choosing how you participate in the AI age

How do you protect your attention and creativity when social media fills with AI-generated content? Ross Thorpe joins NaRon Tillman on Walk In Victory to explore authentic content, human connection, and the difference between using artificial intelligence to support your ideas and letting it replace your own thinking.

For creators, entrepreneurs, community builders, and faith leaders, this episode examines what gets lost when online participation becomes passive consumption. NaRon opens with a challenge to tell your own stories and bring your unique voice into the conversation. Ross asks listeners to consider whether their digital habits help them create, connect, and contribute—or simply keep them scrolling.

Ross introduces Rooverse, which he describes as a nature reserve for human-made content: a space designed around interaction with real people. The discussion goes beyond choosing a different platform. It asks what it means to put the social back into social media by responding to someone who feels lonely, encouraging an artist, or making time for an in-person conversation.

NaRon brings the topic into online ministry, personal storytelling, and the responsibility of being present. They explore how digital tools can help people participate when meeting in person is not possible, while keeping human involvement central. The conversation also examines creative ownership, content provenance, platform incentives, and Ross’s concerns about relying too heavily on large language models.

IN THIS EPISODE

• AI and social media: protecting attention, creativity, and meaningful connection.
• Human-made content and the value of an original voice.
• Using AI for editing and support while retaining creative ownership.
• Passive scrolling versus active participation in an online community.
• Rooverse and Ross’s vision for a human-focused social platform.
• Content provenance and the challenge of showing who created a piece of work.
• Critical thinking, AI agreement, and questioning the answers a tool provides.
• Digital ministry, personal storytelling, and being present with other people.

KEY TAKEAWAY

Using a powerful tool does not remove your responsibility to think, create, and connect. NaRon and Ross approach AI from different perspectives, but both return to the importance of human participation. Your experience, your judgment, and your willingness to engage with another person remain part of the work.

YOUR NEXT MOVE

Before your next social media session, decide what you want to contribute. Share one observation from your own experience, offer a thoughtful response to someone else’s work, or choose a direct conversation over another stretch of passive scrolling. If you use AI to help edit your content, check that the finished piece still expresses your ideas and accurately reflects what you know.

ABOUT ROSS THORPE AND ROOVERSE

Ross Thorpe discusses his work building Rooverse and his interest in protecting human creativity online. Rooverse presents itself as a human-only social network focused on authentic connection and content without AI generation. Explore the platform and connect with Ross through the links below.

CONNECT WITH ROSS THORPE

Rooverse: https://rooverse.app/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ross-thorpe-01768a45/

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(00:00:00) Preparing for the conversation you keep rehearsing

(00:02:23) Why difficult conversations become defensive

(00:04:19) How to raise a concern without blame

(00:08:00) Active listening and helping people feel heard

(00:11:56) Reflecting feelings without having to agree

(00:13:39) How Dan began teaching conflict resolution

(00:17:11) What to do when someone shuts down

(00:19:19) Taking a time-out when you are triggered

(00:23:39) Practicing the skills and catching defensive reactions

(00:27:13) Turning awareness into your next conversation

How do you have difficult conversations without getting defensive, blaming the other person, or shutting down? Dan Messinger joins NaRon Tillman on Walk In Victory to explore active listening, mindful communication, and practical conflict-resolution skills for work, family, and everyday relationships.

If you rehearse an argument before it happens, prepare your response while someone else is speaking, or feel the need to explain yourself before they finish, this conversation offers a different starting point. Dan explains how to raise a concern from an observer’s perspective, name your feelings, and notice when blame is replacing a clear request to be heard.

The episode examines the difference between passive listening and helping another person feel heard, respected, and understood. Dan describes reflecting both a feeling and the reason behind it, asking genuine questions, and checking your understanding before sharing your own perspective. Listening this way does not require you to agree with every statement or abandon your own needs.

NaRon connects these tools to familiar patterns: replaying past arguments, expecting the same outcome, interrupting, and defending your intentions instead of hearing the other person’s experience. Together, they explore how awareness of emotional triggers can create room for a more deliberate response.

For leaders, managers, parents, partners, and anyone navigating workplace conflict or relationship tension, the discussion emphasizes practice over perfection. Learning useful phrases is one step; remembering to use them when emotions rise takes ongoing attention. Dan shares how taking a time-out to calm himself and clarify what he wants to say helps him return more prepared to communicate.

IN THIS EPISODE

• Preparing for difficult conversations without scripting a fight in advance.
• Bringing up concerns without blame or accusation.
• Active listening versus simply repeating another person’s words.
• Reflecting feelings, asking curiosity questions, and checking understanding.
• Validating someone’s experience without agreeing with their conclusions.
• Recognizing defensiveness, emotional triggers, and recurring argument patterns.
• Taking a pause, regulating your response, and returning to the discussion.
• Building communication skills through mindfulness and repeated practice.

KEY TAKEAWAY

Better communication begins with noticing what is happening inside you while you listen and speak. Catching defensiveness gives you a chance to pause, take a breath, and choose language that makes understanding more possible. The goal is not to win every exchange; it is to communicate with greater clarity and mutual respect.

YOUR NEXT MOVE

In your next difficult conversation, reflect what you think the other person feels and why, then ask whether you understood correctly. Give them space to clarify before presenting your position. If you notice you are too triggered to listen, explain that you need a pause and arrange a time to return to the conversation.

ABOUT DAN MESSINGER

Dan Messinger is a leadership consultant and trainer whose work includes executive presence, leadership development, executive coaching, and conflict resolution. In this interview, he draws on decades of teaching communication skills and helping people practice them in challenging conversations.

CONNECT WITH DAN MESSINGER

Website: https://www.transformingexecutivepresence.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-messinger/

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How do you turn setbacks into business growth when a difficult season has shaken your confidence or left you unsure what to do next? In this episode of Walk In Victory, Craig Wahl explains how entrepreneurial resilience, customer clarity, and a willingness to test your offer can help you move from hard-earned experience to useful action.

NaRon Tillman sits down with Craig to explore the lessons behind his recovery from a serious car accident at age 20 and his decades working in technology businesses. Craig describes how accepting help during rehabilitation changed his understanding of service, gratitude, and leadership. Those experiences helped shape his desire to support other people as they grow.

The conversation moves beyond pushing through adversity. Craig reflects on managing teams, navigating rapid business growth, and learning from difficult company experiences. He explains why leadership development is an ongoing journey and why the situations that went wrong can become valuable lessons for founders and growing CEOs.

For entrepreneurs, a personal story becomes useful when you can explain how it helps someone else. Craig shares how stepping outside his comfort zone, building relationships, and asking for specific introductions helped him develop his independent business. Rather than assuming people will recognize your value, he encourages you to make the connection clear.

NaRon and Craig also examine a common sales problem: people may like your product or service without being willing to pay for it. They discuss finding the right customers, choosing the rooms and platforms where those customers spend time, testing your offer, and adjusting it in response to actual buying decisions.

One practical question anchors the discussion: what would your potential customer type into Google to find help? Using the customer’s language can reveal the difference between the problem you think you solve and the problem they recognize. Clear messaging connects what you do with why it matters to the person buying.

IN THIS EPISODE
• Building entrepreneurial resilience after a major setback.
• Accepting help and turning gratitude into service.
• Learning leadership lessons from business challenges.
• Turning lived experience into a clear value proposition.
• Using business networking and specific introduction requests.
• Finding the right audience for your product or service.
• Testing offers, pricing, and customer willingness to pay.
• Writing customer-focused messaging in recognizable language.

KEY TAKEAWAY
Resilience helps you keep learning, but business growth also requires feedback. Your experience has value when it addresses a problem someone else understands and wants help solving. Keep the lesson; stay willing to change the offer.

YOUR NEXT MOVE
Choose one problem you help people solve. Write the exact question a potential customer might search for, then describe your offer in one sentence that answers it. Share that sentence with a potential customer and ask what feels clear, what feels confusing, and what would make the offer useful.

ABOUT CRAIG WAHL
Craig Wahl draws on decades in technology businesses to help founders and business leaders grow. In this conversation, he shares lessons from team leadership, customer management, go-to-market work, and building his own service business.

CONNECT WITH CRAIG WAHL
Website: http://www.njorth.ai/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigawahl/
Instagram: https://instagram.com/craigwahl
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ca.wahlsy

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Why would a Baptist pastor join the FBI, and how do you rebuild your identity when a demanding career ends? Retired FBI agent Eric Robinson joins Walk In Victory to discuss career transition, faith and service, family presence, and learning to release responsibilities that no longer belong to you.

NaRon Tillman sits down with Eric to explore his unusual path from 12 years in Christian ministry to federal law enforcement and a SWAT team. Eric describes how the same concern for people could take different forms across those roles. His story invites a practical question: can your commitment to service remain steady even when your title, workplace, and daily responsibilities change?

The conversation also examines the habits a high-pressure career can leave behind. Eric recalls reacting to a familiar alert sound shortly after retirement before remembering he no longer had to respond. He describes the shift from constant readiness toward awareness: noticing what is happening without assuming every situation is still his responsibility to handle.

For anyone navigating retirement, a career change, or an identity transition, that distinction matters. Experience can remain useful without keeping you permanently on call. Eric shares the relief of enjoying family time without anticipating an unexpected departure, while reflecting on how he worked to be present at home throughout his FBI career.

NaRon and Eric discuss artificial intelligence, surveillance technology, and the judgment of the people using those tools. Drawing on his own experience, Eric considers both investigative uses and public concerns about abuse. Their discussion encourages thoughtful questions about purpose, responsibility, and impact rather than treating technology as automatically beneficial or harmful.

Eric also explains how writing his memoir helped him revisit experiences and organize the lessons behind them. He describes including after-action reviews that consider what worked, what nearly went wrong, and what could inform the next situation. The focus returns to people: understanding their circumstances, recognizing their humanity, and remaining open to what they are experiencing.

IN THIS EPISODE
• Why a Baptist pastor became an FBI agent.
• Carrying faith, empathy, and service into a different career.
• Recognizing the difference between vigilance and awareness.
• Staying present for family while working a demanding job.
• Navigating retirement and identity beyond a professional role.
• Asking responsible questions about AI and surveillance.
• Using storytelling and after-action reviews to reflect on experience.
• The pressures of pastoral leadership and expectations in ministry.

KEY TAKEAWAY
Your role can change without erasing your purpose. Awareness helps you recognize which responsibilities still belong to you, which habits come from an earlier chapter, and how you want to serve in the season you are living now.

YOUR NEXT MOVE
Identify one habit or responsibility you are carrying from a previous role. Ask whether it is still yours to manage. Choose one concrete adjustment this week that makes room for greater presence, a clearer boundary, or a new way to contribute.

ABOUT ERIC ROBINSON
Eric Robinson is a retired FBI agent and former Baptist pastor. In this interview, he reflects on Christian ministry, investigations, SWAT service, retirement, and the process of writing about his experiences.

CONNECT WITH ERIC ROBINSON
Website: http://www.preachertobreacher.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eric-robinson-9220053a4/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_eric_robinson/

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