This episode is unlike anything I’ve ever done on Fire and Soul.

For the first time, I’m the guest on my own show, interviewed by someone who has witnessed every iteration of me in the past nine years—the humbling moments, the expansive breakthroughs, and everything in between.

Jocelyn and I first met inside my very first mastermind after a Tony Robbins firewalk event, which makes the timing of this conversation feel divinely orchestrated. She’s seen me lead from relentless drive, transform through shadow, and learn to show up from a place of genuine wholeness. Together, we reflect on friendship, growth, and what it really means to keep walking each other home.

This conversation goes places I didn’t expect. We talk about:

• How my leadership has evolved from control to surrender, and why I probably wouldn’t have agreed to this interview five years ago.
• The tender moments in our friendship that deepened our bond, including stories we’ve never shared publicly.
• What it really looks like to give yourself permission to be fully human—the messy, the magical, and everything in between.
• The unexpected ways our friendship has been one of sacred reciprocity, where we’ve both been teachers and students for each other.
• What I’d tell someone walking through their own fire right now (spoiler: it’s not sexy, but it’s the truth).

This feels like eavesdropping on a 6 a.m. phone call between soul sisters who’ve walked through heaven and hell together and come out choosing love, presence, and connection again and again.

It’s intimate. It’s unscripted. It’s deeply human.

And it’s a reminder that awakening isn’t about perfection. It’s about presence.

“These are initiatory times, and the fires I truly believe are not here to punish us—they are here to purify us.”

Tune In If...

You’re walking through your own fire right now and need a living example of what it looks like to stay anchored in truth.

Or you’re navigating friendship, transformation, or uncertainty and wondering how to keep showing up with your whole heart.

This episode is for anyone ready to stop performing and start being present.

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With love and fire,

Michelle (and Jocelyn)

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