What if we stopped seeing aging as a crisis and started seeing it as a normal part of being human?

In this strong heartfelt episode of Walks with Mom, Kim and Karen sit down with Sondra “Sam” Cradduck, nationally recognized gerontologist, aging-care educator, author, speaker, media personality, and founder of More Than Heart.

Sam is also a co-host of the nationally syndicated television show Aging Untold, where she brings honest conversations about aging, caregiving, family dynamics, independence, and dignity to audiences across the country.

The conversation challenges one of the most common and painful beliefs older adults carry: “I don't want to be a burden.”

Sam explains why a person can never be a burden. The tasks associated with caregiving may be difficult, but the person receiving care is never the burden. That simple shift in perspective can completely change the way families approach caregiving.

They also discuss:

• Why America doesn't have an aging crisis, but does have a caregiving and service crisis
• The importance of preserving dignity and personhood as care needs change
• Why family caregivers need education, support, and grace
• The difference between helping someone and taking over their life
• How to better understand what an aging loved one may be experiencing
• Why caregivers need to “take their own shoes off” before trying to step into someone else's
• The importance of listening when a senior says they need help and understanding exactly what they are asking for

Sam's message is simple but powerful: aging doesn't make us less human, and needing help doesn't erase our personhood.

This is a meaningful conversation for anyone aging, caring for an aging parent, or supporting a loved one through changes in independence and care.

About Sondra “Sam” Cradduck

Sondra “Sam” Cradduck is a gerontologist, aging-care educator, author, speaker, and media personality dedicated to helping older adults, families, caregivers, and care organizations talk about aging without shame. She is the founder of As the founder of More Than Heart™ and creator of Human Always™, a family and caregiver training company focused on dignity, education, and compassionate care.

She is also a co-host of Aging Untold, a nationally syndicated talk show exploring the realities of aging, caregiving, health, independence, and family relationships.

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A family vacation with 12 people, spanning ages 14 to 80, sounds like the perfect recipe for unforgettable memories, a few challenges, and plenty of stories to tell.

On this episode of Walks with Mom, Kim, a proud Gen Xer, and her 80 year old Baby Boomer mom, Karen, sit down to talk about their recent multi generational family trip to Big Bear Lake, California. After previously traveling together to Yellowstone, this family has learned that bringing multiple generations together takes more than booking a great house. It takes communication, flexibility, planning, and a willingness to let everyone enjoy the experience in their own way.

Kim and Karen talk about the difference between a true vacation and a family trip, why everyone needs a role, and how giving family members the freedom to participate or opt out can make the experience more enjoyable for everyone.

They also share how their nightly family dinners and family councils created opportunities to reconnect, laugh, share photos, celebrate the day's adventures, and have the conversations that often get lost in everyday life.

In This Episode

• The difference between a vacation and a family trip
• What it takes to plan a multi generational getaway
• Traveling with 12 family members ages 14 to 80
• Why everyone should have a role in planning
• Creating meal and entertainment teams
• Giving everyone permission to participate or opt out
• The importance of advocating for yourself
• How shared meals create opportunities for connection
• Why family councils became a highlight of the trip
• Turning everyday moments into lasting family memories
• Making room for different ages, personalities, interests, and abilities
• The importance of slowing down and having organic conversations with family

Family Trips Are About More Than the Destination

The destination may have been Big Bear Lake, but the real purpose of the trip was connection.

With multiple generations together under one roof, Kim and Karen discovered that some of the most meaningful moments weren't necessarily the planned activities. They happened over coffee in the morning, around the dinner table, and during those unexpected conversations when everyone finally had time to slow down.

Give Everyone a Voice

One of the biggest lessons from this family trip was the importance of allowing everyone to advocate for themselves.

Not everyone wants to do every activity, and that's okay. A successful multi generational trip doesn't require everyone to participate in everything. Instead, it creates opportunities for people to choose what works for them.

The Family Council

Every evening, the family gathered for a family council. They shared photos, talked about the day's challenges, voted on favorite pictures and outfits, and celebrated everyone's participation.

And then came one of the biggest highlights: family games.

It was a simple way to get everyone together, laugh, compete, and create memories that will last long after the suitcases are unpacked.

A Conversation About Family, Aging, and Connection

At its heart, Walks with Mom is about navigating life and aging together. This episode is a reminder that multi generational time together can create something incredibly valuable: an opportunity to know the people we love a little better.

Because sometimes the best family memories aren't the perfectly planned moments. They're the conversations over coffee, the jokes at dinner, the unexpected laughs, and the stories everyone will tell for years to come.

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Grab your coffee, pour yourself a glass of wine, invite your family into the conversation, and join Kim and Karen as they continue exploring what it means to navigate aging, family, relationships, and life together.

Walks with Mom: Because aging isn't for the faint of heart, but you don't have to navigate it alone.

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What happens when driving is more than just getting from one place to another? For many of us, driving represents freedom, independence, and the ability to live life on our own terms. But what happens when age, health, injury, or a medical diagnosis begins to affect our ability to drive safely?

In this episode of Walks with Mom, Kimberly Akers and her mom, Karren, sit down with Jenny Nordine, occupational therapist, certified driver rehabilitation specialist, entrepreneur, and founder of Driving to Independence.

With more than 25 years of experience, Jenny specializes in helping people determine how they can continue driving safely and independently. Her work serves a wide range of individuals, from young drivers with medical conditions or developmental differences to adults recovering from injuries and older adults experiencing the normal changes that can come with aging.

This conversation opens up an important topic many families avoid until they are faced with a difficult decision.

In This Episode, We Discuss

• What a comprehensive driver assessment actually looks like
• How physical abilities, vision, cognition, and perception can affect driving
• What happens during an in car driving evaluation
• When adaptive equipment may help someone continue driving
• How medical conditions such as stroke or MS can affect driving
• The role of the Motor Vehicle Division in driver rehabilitation
• How families can approach conversations about driving and aging
• Why losing the ability to drive does not have to mean losing independence
• The importance of evaluating safety before a crisis happens

Jenny also shares how Driving to Independence helps people find the safest path forward, whether that means continuing to drive, using adaptive equipment, or exploring other ways to maintain independence.

Because sometimes the hardest conversation is not about whether someone should drive. It is about what independence looks like when the keys are no longer the answer.

Jenny Nordine, OT/L, CDRS, is an occupational therapist and Certified Driver Rehabilitation Specialist with more than 15 years of experience in acute care and rehabilitation. Throughout her career, she has been passionate about helping individuals maintain the highest level of independence possible while recognizing that every person's journey is unique.

In 2001, Jenny founded Driving to Independence, a comprehensive driver rehabilitation program that recently celebrated 25 years of serving clients throughout Arizona and New Mexico. She believes that driving represents far more than transportation; it is often the key to healthcare, employment, education, family connections, and an active life in the community.

Jenny approaches every client with empathy, respect, and an understanding that conversations about driving can be emotional and life changing. Her goal is to help individuals achieve the greatest level of safe independence possible within their abilities, while ensuring recommendations align with clinical best practices and state licensing requirements. Whether helping someone return to driving through training and adaptive equipment or guiding families through difficult decisions, Jenny is committed to preserving dignity, promoting safety, and empowering people to remain engaged in the lives and communities they value.

Contact Information

General email:  [email protected]

Client Coordinator email:  [email protected]

Office:  480-449-3331 or 855-449-3331

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Arizona and New Mexico

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Our website is www.DrivingtoIndependence.com

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Sometimes the most meaningful conversations start with something simple… like a car ride.

And in this episode of Walks with Mom Podcast, your hosts open up a topic that hits close to home for so many families but is rarely talked about with honesty, humor, and heart:

When is it time to stop driving… and what comes next?

Joined by special guest Sallie Nicholas, this episode is a beautiful example of what happens when friendship, trust, and lived experience come together to help others navigate life’s hardest transitions.

Why This Episode Feels So Personal

Let’s be honest…
Talking about taking away the keys? Not exactly a “light dinner conversation.”

But somehow, this episode manages to:

• Make you smile
• Make you think
• And maybe even make you say… “Okay, we need to talk about this.”

With warmth (and a little humor about Arizona heat and air conditioning survival tactics), Sallie shares her personal journey—moving closer to family, noticing changes, and ultimately embracing a new way of getting around.

The Real Talk About Senior Driving

This isn’t about fear it’s about awareness and empowerment.

You’ll hear honest insights about:

• Changes in vision, reaction time, and confidence
• Why hesitation not just ability can lead to accidents
• The emotional side of losing independence
• How families can approach this conversation with compassion

And one stat that really makes you pause…

Self-driving technology reacts in one tenth of a second, while humans can take one to two full seconds to respond.

Yeah… that one sticks.

The Car Drives You Now

Here’s where things get interesting (and honestly kind of amazing).

Sallie shares how her family introduced her to a self-driving car, and what started as hesitation turned into confidence and even freedom.

From:
“I don’t trust this thing…”
To:
 “It drives me there and exactly on time.”

You’ll also hear about real options families can consider:

• Self-driving vehicles
• Ride services like Uber and Lyft
• New innovations like Waymo

Because giving up driving does not mean giving up independence.

The Sweetest Part of This Episode

This conversation is more than cars.

It is about:

• Families looking out for each other
• Friends stepping in with wisdom and care
• Choosing safety without losing dignity

And honestly… it is really special to hear a mom, a daughter, and a friend navigate this together.

Awwww, right? 

This is one of those conversations every family will face.

So let’s make it easier—together.

Have you had “the driving talk” with a loved one?
What would make that conversation easier for you?

Share below you might help another family more than you know.

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In this episode, Kim and her mom Karren dive into a very real and relatable topic: caregiving for a spouse, and what happens when the doctor is the one who needs care.

What started as a normal retirement for long-time family friend Loraine Marlow and her husband Bob, a former physician affectionately known as "Doc" took an unexpected turn when Bob began experiencing short-term memory loss. 

From the initial diagnosis of Mild Cognitive Impairment to navigating Alzheimer's, this episode is filled with heartfelt honesty, humor, and valuable insight for anyone walking alongside a spouse or aging parent experiencing cognitive changes.

They talk through the real struggles: jumping through the bureaucratic hoops of banks and long-term care insurance, the difficult day Bob recognized he could no longer drive, and the emotional reality of giving up their travel plans.

Loraine also shares practical advice from her own ongoing journey, including why you need to secure financial access early, how she fully embraced her unexpected role as "activities director" to keep Bob moving, and why giving grace to a loved one with memory loss is absolutely essential.

More than anything, this episode is a perspective about learning how to adapt to shifting marriage roles without losing your own joy, and finding creative ways to practice self-care and stay connected to family when life looks different than you planned.

 Listen for:

• Why planning for financial and legal access matters long before a crisis hits.

• How to handle the frustrating systems of banks and insurance companies as a senior.

• Practical ways to pivot when a spouse can no longer travel or drive.

• Why physical activity and socialization are crucial for those with cognitive impairment.

• A fantastic, easy-to-read book recommendation for Alzheimer's caregivers.

Episode At a Glance
03:18 - The early signs: Transitioning from Mild Cognitive Impairment to an Alzheimer's diagnosis.

06:39 - The financial learning curve: Why navigating bank apps and credit card access is harder than it should be.

12:57 - The unexpected activities director: Getting to chair yoga and keeping social connections alive.

18:04 - When the travel stops: Grieving the loss of trips and finding new ways for the grandkids to visit.

22:32 - Loraine’s top resource: A Pocket Guide for the Alzheimer's Caregiver and her best advice for families.

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Today's Guests:
Brittany Singleton, Living Gracefully
Hosts: Kimberly Akers & Karren (Mom)

In this episode of Walks with Mom, Kimberly Akers and Karren sit down with Brittany Singleton, owner of Living Gracefully and host of Mastering Aging Gracefully podcast, for a powerful and eye-opening conversation about modern senior care and what families truly need to know.

Together, they explore how aging is as much a mindset as it is a medical journey, and why so many families are navigating decisions without enough information, time, or support.

Drawing on decades of experience in physical therapy, hospice, and assisted living, Brittany explains why aging is not simply a medical journey. Mindset, movement, independence, family support, and access to quality care can all influence how people experience the later chapters of life.

The conversation examines the difference between rushed home health care and longer, more intentional treatment. Brittany also explains direct-access physical therapy in Arizona and why giving licensed professionals more time with each person can lead to more individualized and effective care.
Kim, Karren, and Brittany also explore assisted living, residential care homes, functional fitness, and the questions families should ask before selecting senior care services.

Whether you are a caregiver, an adult child helping aging parents, or someone planning for your own future, this episode offers practical insight into navigating senior living, physical therapy, caregiving, and long-term care with greater confidence.
Quality senior care should do more than manage immediate needs. It should protect dignity, encourage independence, support movement, and help people continue living meaningful lives.
Watch the complete conversation and share it with someone making care decisions for an aging loved one.

Connect With Brittany Singleton
Learn more about Brittany Singleton, Living Gracefully, and the Mastering Aging Gracefully podcast.
www.living-grace.com
480-740-8122

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Hosts: Kimberly Akers & Karren (Mom) 

Welcome to Season 3 of Walks with Mom, where we continue having the tough but necessary conversations around aging, caregiving, and family life.

In this truly personal episode, Kimberly and Karren open the doors to their real life as a multi-generational household. Living together for over 12 years, they share how and why the decision was made long before crisis arrived, and what it has meant for their family over time.

From caring for a loved one with vascular dementia to raising children and building a shared home, this conversation explores the real reasons families choose to live together, and what it actually takes to make it work.

• Why planning ahead matters more than crisis management
• The origin story of multi-generational living in their family
• Caring for a spouse with vascular dementia
• Emotional and practical benefits of living together
• Creating independence within a shared household
• Setting boundaries, space, and lifestyle expectations
• Financial planning and shared household responsibilities
• The real challenges of cooking, caregiving, and daily life logistics
• How roles naturally shift across generations over time

This episode is raw, real, and relatable as Kimberly and Karren reflect on what has worked, what has been hard, and what they would do again.

From caregiving challenges to everyday family dynamics, this conversation shows that multi-generational living is not perfect, but it can be deeply meaningful when built on intention, communication, and support.

If you are:

• Caring for aging parents
• Considering multi-generational living
• Planning ahead for future family support
• Or navigating caregiving decisions today

This episode will help you understand what it really looks like behind the idea, not just the concept.

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Come with us as we explore what it means to navigate these years with our aging loved ones.

So grab a cup of coffee—or maybe a glass of wine—subscribe, invite your friends or family, and join us for Walks with Mom.

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In this interesting and practical episode of Walks with Mom, two generations come together to explore how simple, natural tools can make a powerful difference in the aging journey. Joined by aromatherapy expert Jessica Wiehle, the conversation moves from deeply personal beginnings to everyday solutions for stress, memory support, and emotional well being.

What starts as a story rooted in grief and caregiving evolves into an eye opening discussion about how scent directly impacts the brain and body. Through real life experiences and easy to understand science, this episode reveals how aromatherapy can calm anxiety, support cognitive health, and create moments of peace for both seniors and those caring for them.

Listeners will walk away with a fresh perspective on how intentional environments, quality ingredients, and small daily habits can transform not only caregiving but the overall experience of aging. Whether you are supporting a loved one or preparing for your own future, this conversation offers both comfort and practical insight.

Aging and caregiving often come with stress, uncertainty, and emotional weight. This episode brings a refreshing approach by introducing aromatherapy as an accessible and effective way to support both mental and physical wellness. It bridges the gap between science and everyday life, making it easy for anyone to begin incorporating these tools into their routine.

Key takeaways 

• How a personal caregiving experience sparked a lifelong passion for healing through scent.
• The connection between smell, brain function, and emotional regulation.
• Why lavender is a go to for calming stress and anxiety.
• How rosemary supports memory, cognition, and mental clarity in seniors.
• The importance of using high quality essential oils and how to identify them.
• Practical ways caregivers can reduce stress and create a more peaceful environment.

About our guest: Jessica Wiehle

Jessica is the founder and CEO of AromaWell, a company helping organizations and individuals create healthier environments through evidence-based aromatherapy. For more than a decade, she has worked at the intersection of wellness, healthcare, senior living, and sensory design, helping people improve sleep, reduce stress, enhance focus, and create meaningful experiences through scent. Jessica is passionate about replacing artificial fragrance with healthier alternatives and believes our environments play a powerful role in how we feel, think, and connect. She is a speaker, educator, entrepreneur, and advocate for living well in body, mind, and spirit.

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Aging is not for the faint of heart and neither are the conversations that come with it. In this strong and honest episode of Walks with Mom, Kim and Karren sit down with Pastor Roy and Tish Times to talk about the realities of caring for aging parents, how it impacts marriage, and why preparation matters more than we think.

Through powerful storytelling, humor, and lived experience, this conversation explores what really happens when aging parents need more support. From shifting family roles to the emotional weight it can place on relationships, Pastor Roy and Tish share what they have learned through their own journey of caring for loved ones.

This episode dives into the tension many families feel but do not always talk about. The strain on marriages, the challenge of balancing responsibilities, and the importance of building emotional resilience before crisis hits. You will hear why planning ahead is not just practical but essential and how avoiding these conversations can lead to unnecessary stress and heartbreak.

Faith plays a central role in this discussion as well. The group explores what it truly means to honor your parents in a healthy way, especially when relationships are complicated. With honesty and grace, Tish shares how boundaries, forgiveness, and intentional choices allowed her to navigate a difficult relationship with peace and without regret.

There are also lighter moments that bring warmth to the conversation. Stories of holidays spent in care facilities, family traditions being reshaped, and the reality that sometimes love looks different than we expected. These moments remind us that even in challenging seasons, connection and meaning are still possible.

At its core, this episode is about being prepared, staying connected, and choosing love even when it is hard. It is a conversation that encourages families to talk sooner, plan better, and support each other through every stage of life.

Many families avoid conversations about aging until they are forced into decisions during a crisis. This episode highlights how proactive communication, shared understanding, and faith can transform a difficult season into one filled with intention, dignity, and even moments of joy.

Guest Spotlight

Tish and Pastor Roy Times met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grandbabies (one on the way) later, they're still each other's favorite people.

Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology. Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart — strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion — to every conversation.

For speaking opportunities, podcast invitations, learn more, and contact us at: https://themakinglovepodcast.com/

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This episode brings together something you do not hear every day. Three generations in one conversation sharing what it is really like to live under one roof.

Kim is joined by her mom Karren and Kim's daughter Sage for a candid look at multigenerational living, now with a Generation Z perspective in the mix.

They reflect on the decision to live together, what worked, what did not, and how those experiences shaped each of them in very different ways.

From a grandmother finding purpose and connection, to a mother balancing responsibility and ambition, to a Gen Z daughter processing what it meant to grow up in that environment, this episode gives a full picture from every angle.

It is honest, relatable, and at times surprising.

We cover:
What multigenerational living looks like in real life
The benefits of built in support and shared responsibility
The challenges of time, attention, and evolving relationships
How growing up with a grandparent at home impacts a Gen Z perspective
What each generation would do differently looking back

This is a grounded, real conversation about family, connection, and the complexities of sharing not just a home, but a life.

If you have ever lived in a multigenerational household or are thinking about it, this episode offers insight from all sides of the experience.

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So grab a cup of coffee—or maybe a glass of wine—subscribe, invite your friends or family, and join us for Walks with Mom.

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Compassionate, personalized in-home senior care starts here – contact Amada Senior Care Phoenix and the East Valley today by phone at (480)999-5250 or visit us online to get started and give your loved one the support, dignity, and independence they deserve.
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