Network automation pops up often on the pod. But, you know what's under-discussed? The HR aspect of upskilling IT workers and/or acquiring the right talent to make this transformation and manage it going forward. Greg welcomes Michael Martin, Senior Expert of Networking and Network Security at McKinsey & Co to get into it.

The pair covers the basics of network automation, getting engineers/network architects up to speed in this area, and attracting the right new talent for these network transformations.

The WAN Manager Podcast is now TeleGeography Explains the Internet. Hosted by Greg Bryan.