ATTN: This week we have a guest host - CDT’s Director of Surveillance & Security, Greg Nojeim. Greg sits down with Dr. Thorsten Wetzling, the head of research for the German think tank, Stiftung Neue Verantwortung (SNV).

Greg and Thorsten have a fascinating conversation about government surveillance practices in the US and in countries across Europe, with Thorsten currently researching the democratization and professionalization of intelligence governance in Germany and Europe.

More on SNV: https://www.stiftung-nv.de/

More on Dr. Thorsten Wetzling: https://twitter.com/twetzling

More on Greg Nojeim: https://cdt.org/about/staff/greg-nojeim/

More on our host, Brian: bit.ly/cdtbrian

Attribution: sounds used from Psykophobia, Taira Komori, BenKoning, Zabuhailo, bloomypetal, guitarguy1985, bmusic92, and offthesky of freesound.org.