In an exclusive interview five years after Covid, host Tim Boyum speaks with the woman who guided North Carolina through the pandemic.

Dr. Mandy Cohen reveals the challenges, the successes, and even threats she faced during the challenging time. She highlights working with Gov. Roy Cooper as a key reason for her success in North Carolina during COVID-19.

"I learned so much from him and I'm so grateful that I was able to be on his team. We had a lot of special attributes that made us successful," she said.

She and Tim also talk about her time leading the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) after leaving North Carolina. And Tim wraps by recounting his time covering COVID-19 as a journalist.