On the fourth episode of We Got Next, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck speaks with BKFC's Taylor Starling (3:08) to get her side of why her BKFC Fight Night Montana fight with Randine Eckholm was scratched hours before the event, Eckholm being "unprofessional" during the two-day stretch, what she said to Eckholm's face on Saturday when the fight was called, if there was any chance the commission would find a way to make it happen, plans to return at the promotion's New York debut in November, and the unfortunate death of Justin Thornton.

UFC's newest lightweight Erick Gonzalez (24:42) joins the show as he prepares to make his short notice octagon debut against Jim Miller this Saturday at UFC Vegas 40 and discusses getting the career-altering phone call, getting a veteran in Miller for his first fight, the road he's taken to get to the UFC, and how he sees the fight playing out.

New England bantamweight prospect Jay Perrin (43:59) recaps capturing the CES 135-pound title at CES 64 with a second-round submission win over Josh Smith, teammate Merab Dvalishvili defeating Smith's teammate Marlon Moraes the next night at UFC 266, talks holding titles in the top two promotions in the region, what he wants next, his longtime rivalry with Johnny Campbell and if he'll ever give him a rematch, how close he is to getting a call from the UFC, and the importance of mental health in the fight game.

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