From sanctions to tariffs to seizing oil fields — it feels like we've entered a new age of economic warfare. But experts say we're really just returning to the past. To the time before the rules-based international order was established at the end of the Second World War.

Gunboat diplomacy it seems is once again de rigueur.

Guests

William Alan Reinsch — Senior advisor, Center for Strategic and International Studies

Saadia Zahidid — Economist and Managing Director of the World Economic Forum

Markus Jaeger — Adjunct professor, International and Public Affairs, Columbia SIPA

Abraham Newman — Professor of Government, Georgetown University. Author of Underground Empire: How America Weaponized the World Economy (Holt/Penguin 2023)

Hugo Slim — Senior Research Fellow, Institute for Ethics, Law and Armed Conflict, University of Oxford