Peter M. Senge is the founding chair of SoL (Society of Organizational Learning), a global network of organizations, researchers, and consultants dedicated to the “interdependent development of people and their institutions”, a Senior Lecturer at MIT's Sloan School of Management, and cofounder of the Academy for Systemic Change, which seeks to accelerate the growth of the field of systemic change worldwide. Jill Jensen is currently serving as Superintendent of Schools for the Gulf Islands District in British Columbia, and is working to implement both compassionate systems and deeper learning into her education communities. Their conversation with Rod and Jal covers many topics including: opening banter on the state of things at Harvard University amidst the political turmoil; a brief look at the history of our "factory model" of schooling and why it might be time to reexamine the purpose of education; how compassionate systems leadership and deeper learning models are aligned; real world examples from Jill's on-the-ground experiences; the importance of student voices when evaluating existing systems; how brain science is laying the foundation for more mindfulness and reflective practices in schools; and a lightning round that gets dark in a hurry! 

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