Wednesdays Off

Rich Mulholland—former roadie turned global speaker and founder of Missing Link—shares why the stage is the ultimate testing ground for bold ideas, how naming things can make or break your message, and why most entrepreneurs end up trapped by the very companies they create. Dive into a lively conversation about redefining success, the power of intentional living, and the surprising lessons Rich learned from both board games and Brazilian jujitsu. Discover how to escape the endless chase for “enough,” why your talk title matters more than your fame, and how a simple jar of pennies can transform your work-life balance.

Episode Timeline:
[00:00] Introduction to Rich Mulholland: roadie turned strategist, global speaker, founder of Missing Link and Too Many Robots, and author of four books including Relentless Relevance.
[00:33] The art and importance of naming talks, companies, and books.
[00:55] Rich’s mission: helping people “suck less in public” and the transformative power of the stage.
[02:07] The rush of public speaking, audience feedback, and why context matters.
[04:20] Overcoming fear of public speaking and the importance of content confidence.
[05:34] Speaker training insights: the difference between memorizing and feeling your talk.
[07:03] Chasing the message, not the applause—why impact matters more than the high.
[08:50] Crafting talks that challenge conventional wisdom and offer counter-narratives.
[10:21] Live coaching: Stavros and Rich break down the myth that building a successful company leads to freedom.
[13:01] Mindset blocks, letting go, and the “Wednesday Off” principle for entrepreneurs.
[14:03] The “ruthless pursuit of enough” and defining victory conditions in business.
[16:13] Action over inspiration: how to drive real change from the stage.
[18:10] Missing Link’s Action Framework: reason to care, reason to believe, what you need to know, what you need to do.
[18:59] The power of great slides and the hidden traps of entrepreneurial comparison.
[22:05] The “cups” metaphor: understanding personal fulfillment and the dangers of endlessly chasing money.
[25:15] Self-love vs. self-loathing as a driver for growth; plugging the leaks in your essential cups.
[29:03] Daily reflection practices, the half-life of positivity vs. negativity, and the Roguelite app.
[31:15] Applying the cups metaphor to business and personal life.
[35:12] Living and presenting with intention; the intersection of what you care about and what your audience needs.
[38:34] The Amsterdam Principle: your audience can never enjoy your presentation more than you do.
[41:53] Designing talks for maximum impact—beyond applause to real action.
[46:42] Writing, designing, and delivering talks: why preparation is key.
[49:02] How many talks should a speaker have? The value of a core keynote and variations.
[50:49] Using AI as a creative partner in writing and refining talks and articles.
[54:37] The stage as the last bastion of authentic human connection in an AI-driven world.
[55:36] How to get started as a speaker: find what frustrates you, dig deep, and test your ideas.
[58:46] Understanding your true audience: user vs. client, and the realities of paid speaking.
[1:00:39] How to practice and refine your talk: offering free sessions, testing titles, and iterating based on feedback.
[1:03:00] Closing thoughts: why passion and purpose matter most.

Resources:
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com
Missing Link: msnglnk.com
Too Many Robots: toomanyrobots.com
Rich Mulholland’s books, including Relentless Relevance
Roguelite app (for daily reflection and tracking growth)

"What if the secret to a thriving organization isn’t just strategy, but the human experience behind it? In this episode of the Wednesdays Off Podcast, Stavros sits down with Emma Garrison, co-founder of Garrison Growth, to explore how real buy-in starts with understanding human behavior—not just processes. Emma shares candid stories from her own career, reveals why most leaders misdiagnose their team’s challenges, and explains how the “nails in our forehead” we can’t see often hold us back. From the power of psychological safety to the art of repairing relationships (at work and at home), this conversation is packed with practical insights and fresh perspectives on leadership, culture, and personal growth. Discover how to create the kind of environment where people—and ideas—truly flourish; catch the full episode for a new take on what it means to lead with intention.

Episode Timeline:
[00:18] Introduction to Emma Garrison and her work at Garrison Growth
[01:04] Emma’s approach: starting with human behavior, not just process
[03:12] Personal stories that shaped Emma’s philosophy on leadership and culture
[05:41] The influence of Emma’s father and their partnership in Garrison Growth
[07:24] The gap between stated values and lived experience in organizations
[08:15] Discussion on core values vs. core conflicts and the importance of psychological safety
[10:37] Defining company culture by what is not tolerated; blueprint and boundaries
[12:37] Climate vs. culture: observable behaviors and their impact
[14:00] Are there truly unique company cultures or just variations on a theme?
[16:19] The metaphor of Japanese art (kintsugi) and the beauty of repair in relationships
[18:18] The importance of fit between culture and people; transparency and explicit communication
[20:34] Emma’s diagnostic process for uncovering root causes of organizational challenges
[23:19] The value of gathering perspectives from all levels of an organization
[25:09] How leadership tools translate to family and personal relationships
[26:17] The real barriers to using leadership tools: self-awareness and internal work
[28:16] Mindset vs. business acumen: why leaders struggle to take their own advice
[29:20] The “inside the jar” analogy and the importance of external perspective
[31:30] Vulnerability in leadership: creating space for honest feedback
[33:27] How leaders teach others how to interact with them through their responses
[34:17] The power of framing and phrasing in leadership communication
[35:50] The challenge of balancing efficiency with empathy in leadership moments
[37:23] The responsibility of framing conversations as a leader
[39:04] Unconscious competence and the leader’s responsibility to share their knowledge
[41:07] The cost of not slowing down to get culture and communication right
[42:12] Delegation, unconscious competence, and the self-fulfilling prophecy of disengagement
[43:07] Letting go as a leader: balancing guidance with empowering others
[45:11] The identity shift required as leaders move up in organizations
[46:21] Shedding labels and redefining personal identity as a leader
[49:10] Parallels between leadership and child psychology; managing emotional states
[51:27] Emma’s free monthly leadership sprints: what they are and who they’re for
[53:28] How to find Emma and Garrison Growth online

Resources:
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com
Garrison Growth: garrisongrowth.com
Emma Garrison on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/emmagarrison 
Email Emma and her team: [email protected]
Monthly Leadership Sprints: garrisongrowth.com (see events or contact for registration)

What if the secret to a healthier, more connected community lies in the soil beneath our feet and the meals we share? In this episode of the Wednesday's Off Podcast, host Stavros Michailidis sits down with Wendy Wesley, a passionate registered dietitian and founder of the St. Pete Cooking School, and Ted Cooper, the dedicated garden manager at Daystar Life. Together, they reveal how Daystar Life—a St. Petersburg nonprofit—goes beyond fighting food insecurity by empowering locals with nutrition education, hands-on cooking classes, and a thriving organic garden that turns food waste into fresh produce for families in need. Discover how Wendy and Ted are challenging the status quo of food pantries by prioritizing nutrients over empty calories, fostering a culture of giving, and building a resilient neighborhood from the ground up. Dive into their stories of personal transformation, practical tips for home gardening and cooking, and the powerful ripple effects of community-driven change. Experience the heart and wisdom of Daystar Life—catch the full episode for a fresh perspective on food, community, and what it truly means to nourish a city.

Episode Timeline:
[00:05] Introduction to Wendy Wesley and Ted Cooper, their backgrounds, and Daystar Life’s mission
[02:20] Wendy and Ted share how they became involved with Daystar Life and their personal motivations
[03:35] Overview of Daystar Life’s services: food pantry, rent assistance, and holistic support for the community
[05:31] The closed-loop system: turning food waste into compost and organic produce
[06:30] Wendy and Ted’s career journeys before Daystar and what drew them to their current roles
[08:31] Challenging food pantry norms: prioritizing nutrients over calories and empowering through education
[10:42] Cooking and gardening classes as tools for community empowerment
[11:26] Seedlings to Neighbors: building gardens for local families and fostering self-sufficiency
[13:43] The unique culture of volunteers and staff at Daystar Life
[16:22] Reflections on the changing landscape of St. Petersburg and the importance of community involvement
[20:46] Sustainable development, urban change, and the impact on local food systems
[28:51] The role of gardening in personal and community well-being; lessons from blue zones
[32:03] Practical gardening tips: mulching, soil health, and the gardener’s role as a scene setter
[38:51] Parallels between gardening and cooking: the importance of preparation and foundational skills
[41:12] Reducing food waste at home: storage, shopping habits, and the emotional impact of waste
[44:17] The difference between processed and fresh foods; challenges in changing food culture
[49:34] The importance of fiber, variety, and realistic approaches to healthy eating
[51:49] Canned vegetables vs. processed snacks: meeting people where they are
[55:53] Gut health, the microbiome, and the addictive nature of ultra-processed foods
[58:00] The importance of paying attention to digestive health and practical dietary advice
[1:05:22] How to get involved with Daystar Life as a volunteer or donor; upcoming cooking classes and community initiatives

Resources:
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com
Daystar Life: daystarlife.org, volunteer and donations: https://daystarlife.org/donate/
Wendy Wesley Nutrition: https://wendywesleynutrition.com/
Hot Flash Kitchen, A Menopause Nutritional Plan (upcoming book by Wendy Wesley)

What happens when a lifelong friendship meets a relentless quest for truth?

 In this episode of the Wednesdays Off podcast, Stavros sits down with his childhood friend Kozi, a passionate activist for medical freedom whose journey began in the trenches of healthcare and led to the front lines of public protest. Together, they unravel the personal stories and pivotal moments that sparked Kozi’s skepticism of medical mandates, his deep dive into nutrition and body systems, and his transformation into a community leader and artist using music to inspire change. From challenging mainstream narratives on vaccines and cholesterol to reflecting on the power of laughter, independence, and childhood experiences, this conversation is a candid exploration of health, freedom, and the systems that shape our lives. Dive into the full episode for a thought-provoking look at questioning authority, building resilience, and finding purpose in unexpected places.

Episode Timeline:
[00:25] Stavros introduces Kozi and their lifelong friendship
[01:11] Kozi describes his path to activism and the origins of his medical freedom stance
[02:18] Early experiences as a healthcare worker and questioning vaccine mandates
[03:21] Stavros shares his own shift in perspective on vaccines after a conversation with his doctor
[05:35] Kozi’s nutrition background and curiosity about body systems
[06:40] The influence of systems thinking on Kozi’s approach to health and nutrition
[09:11] Discussion on alternatives to vaccines for protecting health and the importance of holistic wellness
[11:12] Chronic inflammation as a root of illness and the role of lifestyle in health
[15:26] Kozi’s transition from healthcare worker to activist, including advocacy for religious exemptions
[18:02] Predicting pandemic-related mandates and following policy trends
[21:45] The role of money and business interests in public health narratives
[23:01] Childhood influences on skepticism and questioning authority
[24:18] Kozi’s journey through audio production and eventual return to music as a form of activism
[26:48] Speaking at public rallies and using music to spread messages of hope and resistance
[28:47] The healing power of creativity and music’s influence on society
[33:25] The importance of laughter, positive relationships, and mental health
[38:10] Reflections on childhood independence, changing times, and the impact of technology on imagination
[40:43] Study on natural playgrounds and children’s health
[48:24] Kozi’s entrepreneurial venture with natural soaps and balancing activism with business
[50:24] Community organizing, legal challenges, and the ongoing fight for medical freedom
[52:43] The challenges of living a pure life and thoughts on escaping modern society
[54:44] Kozi’s commitment to New York and the value of diversity and community
[55:33] Closing reflections on friendship, purpose, and future plans

Resources:
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com
Kozi’s natural soaps: Instagram @kosispuresoaps

What if the secret to a thriving family isn’t just communication, but play? In this episode of the Wednesdays Off Podcast, Brittany Anderson shares her remarkable journey from the brink of divorce to founding Renala, a company dedicated to transforming family dynamics through vision, values, and playful connection. Discover how Brittany, a certified transformational coach and bestselling author, uses LEGO Serious Play and narrative intelligence to help families unlock creativity, deepen understanding, and build lasting bonds. From monthly family meetings inspired by agile sprints to the annual “Yes Week” that brings everyone together, Brittany reveals practical rituals and powerful stories that will inspire you to rethink how your family connects and grows. Dive into this episode for a fresh perspective on leadership at home and discover how play can be the catalyst for real transformation.

Episode Timeline:
[00:34] Introduction to Brittany Anderson and her journey from near-divorce to founding Renala
[01:35] The origins of Renala and the importance of shared vision, values, and purpose in families
[05:17] Monthly family meetings, agile-inspired rituals, and the evolution of the Family Circle program
[07:36] “Yes Week”: An annual family tradition focused on intentional connection and play
[09:38] The role of play in family culture and how it supports creativity and connection
[14:37] Introduction to LEGO Serious Play and its unique application in family settings
[17:55] How LEGO Serious Play sessions help families build understanding and open communication
[24:01] Narrative intelligence: Using stories, metaphors, and physical movement to unlock growth
[32:42] Supporting children’s strengths and creativity through CliftonStrengths and experiential learning
[34:33] Reflections on homeschooling, the school system, and fostering creativity outside the classroom
[41:11] The power of saying “yes” to children’s creative impulses and building responsibility
[43:56] Creativity as a universal trait and the importance of finding one’s unique strengths
[46:19] The “zone of genius” versus the “zone of excellence” and how to align work with personal strengths
[50:47] Why family is a powerful place to start strengths-based growth and self-discovery
[54:09] Authenticity at home versus work and the impact of self-awareness on family dynamics
[56:25] Brittany’s personal story of vulnerability, transformation, and modeling authenticity for her children
[62:06] Using play to make deep personal work lighter and more accessible
[65:07] Where to find Brittany online, her book “Living Room Leadership,” and upcoming family programs

Resources:
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com
Renala: leadwithfamily.com
Living Room Leadership book: livingroomleadershipbook.com
Brittany Anderson on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/brittanyanderson
Renala Families on LinkedIn and Instagram: @RenalaFamilies
Brittany Anderson on Instagram: @brittanyanderson.renala

Curious about how cutting-edge technology can transform your recovery and performance? In this episode of the Wednesdays Off Podcast, host Stavros Michailidis sits down with Jake Nadermann, founder of Revolt Recovery, to explore a revolutionary approach to bodywork that goes far beyond traditional massage or chiropractic care. Jake shares his journey from athlete to practitioner, revealing how pulsed electromagnetic field (PEMF) therapy—combined with hands-on techniques and tools like shockwave and vibration therapy—can reset your body at the cellular level, restore movement, and help you feel truly renewed. Hear firsthand what makes Jake’s method so different, why elite athletes are seeking it out, and how you can benefit from a holistic, science-backed approach to pain relief and performance. Discover the unique blend of expertise and innovation that’s changing the game—catch the full episode for an inside look at the future of recovery.

Episode Timeline:
[00:06] Introduction to Jake Nadermann and Revolt Recovery; Stavros shares his personal experience with Jake’s unique bodywork.
[01:24] Jake explains the foundation of his practice: pulsed electromagnetic field (PEMF) therapy, and how his device allows him to direct the field through his hands for targeted treatment.
[02:45] Stavros describes the session experience and how it differs from traditional massage.
[03:40] Jake details the cellular science behind PEMF, including resetting membrane potential and improving ATP production for healing.
[04:42] Discussion on how injuries cause protective tension in the body and how PEMF helps reset nerve pathways and muscle function.
[08:43] Jake’s discovery of PEMF through working with NFL athletes and the impact of the technology on elite performance.
[10:06] Jake’s background in training athletes and corrective exercise before adopting advanced bodywork technologies.
[11:09] Jake’s personal injury story and how chiropractic care inspired his journey to help others avoid surgery and drugs.
[13:55] The importance of understanding the body as an interconnected system and Jake’s exploration of movement methodologies like GOTA.
[14:48] Explanation of GOTA and building durable movement from the ground up.
[15:49] Discussion on the limitations of terms like “mobility” and “massage” and why Jake avoids them.
[17:40] Why clients seek Jake’s work after exhausting other options and the unique, lasting results they experience.
[20:13] The activation component of PEMF bodywork and the importance of movement immediately after a session.
[22:00] Jake’s current approach to movement, blending foundational mobility with strength and performance training.
[24:51] Clarifying the difference between PEMF and TENS units, and the evolution of PEMF technology.
[28:15] The history of PEMF in sports and veterinary medicine, and its effectiveness in healing injuries.
[29:19] Accessibility of PEMF devices for home and clinical use.
[30:43] Jake’s interests in nutrition, exercise, and performance within the broader context of health and vitality.
[31:16] Discussion on flow ropes and the importance of coordination and spinal movement in athletic performance.
[34:11] The concept of the spine as the engine for movement and generating torque.
[36:15] Comparing movement methodologies and the value of integrating different approaches.
[39:24] Jake continues to train athletes and emphasizes the importance of pre-run routines and isometrics.
[40:03] Common mistakes in workout routines: the need to slow down, use isometrics, and incorporate whole-body movements.
[42:31] The critical role of recovery and matching recovery efforts to training intensity.
[43:40] The importance of environment, nutrition, and active recovery for optimal healing.
[44:45] Practical nutrition advice: timing and types of carbohydrates and protein around workouts.
[47:53] How to work with Jake for PEMF bodywork or training, both locally in Tampa and through the Electrons Plus provider network.

Resources:
Revolt Recovery: revoltrecovery.com
Electrons Plus provider directory: electronsplus.com
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com

What happens when a scientist-turned-entrepreneur brings a builder’s mindset to the world of remote teams, AI, and operational efficiency? In this episode of the Wednesdays Off Podcast, Marcio Goncalves shares his journey from veterinary science in Brazil to launching the world’s largest agriculture-focused podcast network and building multiple ventures that help businesses scale with smarter systems and remote talent. Discover how Marcio cracked the code on hiring high-performing teams, why he believes personality fit trumps culture fit, and how his contrarian views on nutrition and AI are reshaping both his companies and his life. If you’re curious about leveraging AI agents, minimizing workplace drama, or optimizing your own routines for success, dive into this episode for a fresh perspective from someone who’s thriving at the intersection of science, business, and innovation.

Episode Timeline:
[01:23] Introduction to Marcio Goncalves: From scientist to venture studio operator
[02:58] Marcio’s approach to stress, personality, and business calmness
[04:15] What drives Marcio as an entrepreneur
[04:39] Lessons from making 50+ hiring mistakes and developing Zentrix Insights
[06:14] Reducing workplace drama and building a zero-tolerance culture
[07:41] The science of hiring: personality fit vs. culture fit, and key traits for remote roles
[09:29] How personality profiles shape high-performing teams
[13:29] Designing company culture through role-based hiring
[14:39] Explaining Culture Index, Predictive Index, and the Big Five model
[17:30] Founding Wise VAs: origins, growth, and client focus
[18:31] Building Wise Netics: the world’s largest agriculture podcast network
[19:44] Multilingual podcasting and the evolution of Wise Netics
[20:04] Marcio’s journey into agriculture and early entrepreneurial roots
[21:37] Academic path: PhD in pig nutrition and the value of statistics
[22:13] Corporate experience in pig genetics and launching niche podcasts
[23:45] The power of niching down in podcasting and business
[24:25] Launching Elevate Agents: AI deployment and software for business efficiency
[25:06] Personal optimization routines: nutrition, fitness, and the science behind habits
[27:13] Contrarian views on nutrition: energy balance, macros, and supplement skepticism
[28:53] Lessons from animal science applied to human health and business
[33:31] The importance of variety and adherence in routines
[35:51] Shifting from efficiency in everything to focusing on the right things
[36:41] Common mistakes and opportunities in AI adoption for entrepreneurs
[39:00] AI’s impact on job satisfaction, creativity, and business ambition
[43:27] Parallels between the Industrial Revolution and today’s AI-driven transformation
[45:44] Building a venture studio: balancing focus, fun, and financial returns
[47:59] B2B focus, leveraging domain expertise, and letting the market dictate direction
[50:07] The “bullets and cannonballs” approach to experimentation and focus
[51:31] Marcio’s advice: the power of operating frameworks (EOS) and hiring right
[52:36] What most people get wrong about management systems and implementation
[54:05] EOS vs. Scaling Up: choosing and sticking to a system
[56:30] Zentrix OS: Marcio’s software for running EOS
[57:09] Closing thoughts on focus, the 80-20 rule, and thriving with less stress

Resources:
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com
Wise VAs: wisevas.io
Elevate Agents: elevateagents.ai
Instagram: @realmarciogoncalves
Marcio’s email: [email protected]

What if your financial plan was less about numbers and more about living a life without regrets? In this episode, Stavros sits down with Ralph Sevelius, founder of Boardwalk Wealth Solutions and creator of the Prosperity Pathfinder process, to explore how true wealth is built around purpose, meaning, and the courage to take action before it’s too late. Ralph shares personal stories from his unique upbringing in the financial world, his transformative solo journey to the Philippines, and the mindset shifts that help clients move from anxiety to clarity. Discover the four-step Prosperity Pathfinder model, why “freedom age” beats “retirement age,” and how honest conversations about family, legacy, and risk can unlock opportunities you never imagined. Dive in for a fresh perspective on money, mindset, and making the most of every moment.

Episode Timeline:
[02:03] Introduction to Ralph Sevelius and his background in financial planning
[04:18] The importance of living with intention and avoiding regret
[06:25] The Prosperity Pathfinder: making financial planning approachable
[07:03] Ralph’s personal journey into the financial industry and lessons from his upbringing
[11:25] The value of role models and learning from others’ experiences
[14:13] Breaking down the four steps of the Prosperity Pathfinder model:
 - Current Manifest: taking inventory of assets, liabilities, and family dynamics
 - Destination Clarifier: defining clear, meaningful goals
 - Journey Navigator: introducing strategies and collaborating with other professionals
 - Legacy Multiplier: planning for legacy, estate, and care for loved ones
[21:28] Estate planning: overcoming overwhelm and starting simple
[24:08] The analogy of a long walk: taking small, meaningful steps in financial planning
[26:45] Ralph’s solo trip to the Philippines: reflections on discomfort, growth, and introspection
[34:45] The value of stepping outside your comfort zone and the tools that support introspection
[37:27] Advice for different life stages and why “freedom age” is more meaningful than “retirement age”
[44:04] Helping clients transition to purpose-driven work and financial independence
[46:33] Entrepreneurs, liquidity, and the pitfalls of being cash-heavy or over-leveraged
[49:34] Common mistakes: debt, cash flow, and the importance of mindset
[52:07] Family dynamics in financial planning and the importance of honest conversations
[57:09] Teaching the next generation: practical lessons in investing and financial literacy
[60:26] The difference between investing and trading, and the value of long-term thinking
[68:56] Book recommendation: The Snowball by Warren Buffett
[73:10] Market cycles, innovation, and the impact of AI on the future of work and investing
[78:19] The role of creativity, government, and innovation in shaping society

Resources:
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com
Boardwalk Wealth Solutions: boardwalkwealthsolutions.com
The Prosperity Pathfinder (book) by Ralph Sevelius

What if public speaking isn’t actually hard—just uncomfortable? In this episode of the Wednesdays Off Podcast, Stavros sits down with Eric Silverberg and Eli Gladstone, co-founders of Speaker Labs, who reveal how mastering public speaking is less about talent and more about mindset. Hear Eric’s transformation from a nervous high schooler to a confident business school professor, and discover why Eli believes public speaking is a window to personal growth. The duo shares practical frameworks, the power of storytelling, and why the best speakers focus on connection over perfection. Whether you’re prepping for a keynote or a wedding toast, don’t miss this candid conversation packed with insights that will change how you think about communicating in the moments that matter—press play to discover how you can unlock your own speaking potential.

Episode Timeline:
[01:34] Introduction of Eric Silverberg and Eli Gladstone, co-founders of Speaker Labs
[02:33] Speaker Labs’ mission and client profile (leaders, high performers, large and small teams)
[04:19] Why Eric and Eli do what they do—personal journeys with public speaking
[06:54] Eric’s transformative moment as a business school professor
[09:23] Eli’s gradual journey and the inner challenges of public speaking
[13:10] How Eric and Eli met and the origins of Speaker Labs
[14:40] Making dry content engaging—early teaching experiences
[16:14] Why delivery and content both matter in public speaking
[18:15] The difference between short and long workshops; depth vs. entertainment
[21:37] The importance of being there for your audience and mindset shifts
[24:41] Mindset as the key differentiator for great speakers
[26:50] The pitfalls of trying to “read” your audience in real time
[28:58] The value of structure and frameworks in presentations
[29:39] The “dinner party method” framework and its simplicity
[31:07] How long it takes to prepare a great keynote—heartbeat idea, iteration, and practice
[33:46] The process of refining ideas and presentation flow
[38:44] Improvisation vs. scripting in repeated presentations
[40:13] Adapting presentations for different audiences—changing the frame, not the core ideas
[42:09] Iteration and feedback in developing presentations
[44:07] The importance of clarity and willingness to test ideas
[48:30] How Eric and Eli practice—bouncing ideas, whiteboarding, and using AI as a sparring partner
[50:47] Life outside Speaker Labs—family, Survivor, and personal growth
[53:42] The Tail End article and reflections on time with family
[56:39] The ongoing juggle of work, family, and personal development
[57:04] Why Survivor is so compelling—social dynamics and psychology
[01:04:16] Public speaking as uncomfortable, not difficult—parallels in life and learning
[01:07:01] Mindset tools for giving yourself permission to struggle and grow
[01:11:42] The “20-hour rule” and the Pareto principle for getting started
[01:12:56] Why investing in public speaking pays off—most people avoid it
[01:14:01] Advice for non-professional speakers—wedding toasts, eulogies, and emotional moments
[01:16:42] The power of sharing emotion and storytelling in personal speeches
[01:19:53] Why stories matter more than lists of adjectives
[01:20:24] Key takeaways: connection, core ideas, and giving yourself permission to try

Resources:
Speaker Labs: speakerlabs.ca
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com
The Tail End article: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/12/the-tail-end.html

What if conflict could actually bring us closer together? In this episode of the Wednesdays Off Podcast, Stavros Michailidis sits down with Anna Lecat—a three-time global CEO, Amazon bestselling author of "Loving Conflict," and TEDx speaker fluent in four languages—to explore her unique approach to turning disagreements into opportunities for connection. Anna reveals her five-step "loving conflict" methodology, blending insights from her multicultural business journey and her passion for tango dancing to teach us how to navigate tension with kindness, clarity, and even playfulness. Discover how embracing conflict can transform relationships at work and at home, why sarcasm might be holding you back, and how humility and presence are at the heart of meaningful conversations. Dive into this episode for a fresh perspective on fighting kindly and building deeper connections.

Episode Timeline:
[02:03] Introduction to Anna Lecat: global CEO, bestselling author, TEDx speaker, and her multicultural background
[02:56] Anna’s mission: teaching people how to “fight kindly” and why conflict is essential for deeper understanding
[04:23] Cultural influences on conflict avoidance and the importance of learning healthy conflict skills
[05:25] Differentiating debate from interpersonal conflict; the role of non-violence in disagreements
[06:34] Martial arts and tango as metaphors for non-violent engagement and conflict resolution
[08:53] Introduction to the “Loving Conflict” methodology and its application in business and personal life
[09:55] The five steps of the Loving Conflict framework:
  1. Staying present and recognizing tension in oneself and others
  2. Assuming nothing and suspending judgment
  3. Listening deeply and being open to changing your mind
  4. The art of questioning without putting others on the defensive; the pitfalls of sarcasm
  5. The art of “us”—recognizing shared humanity and building trust
[23:44] Using tango and play in workshops to teach conflict resolution and connection
[25:58] How tango dancing shaped Anna’s approach to leadership, following, and humility
[31:36] The challenge of practicing humility and the importance of modeling vulnerability for children and teams
[34:29] Role-playing and perspective-switching as tools for empathy and better decision-making
[36:19] The value of intellectual humility and enjoying being wrong as a “black belt” skill
[44:01] Nature, art, and learning new skills as practices for staying humble
[47:01] Parenting stories: modeling conflict resolution and humility for the next generation
[49:54] Stavros shares his journey into creativity, leadership, and the pursuit of freedom
[57:42] Anna’s core value of being seen and how it relates to love, conflict, and collaboration
[01:04:26] Modeling behavior for children and the importance of learning from example
[01:09:21] Surrender, agency, and the balance between leading and following in relationships and teams
[01:11:42] Creativity, collaboration, and the parallels between tango, facilitation, and innovation
[01:14:42] Anna’s book “Loving Conflict” and her invitation to embrace friendly fighting and diverse friendships

Resources:
Routine Rebel: routinerebel.com
Anna Lecat’s website: annalecat.com
Book: Loving Conflict by Anna Lecat