For Designer Business is the podcast built by interior designers, for interior designers—because we know firsthand what it’s like to wear all the hats. Hosted by Shayna Rose and Evelyn McDougall of 4Dbiz, this show is where real talk meets real solutions. Together, we built 4Dbiz by tackling the same challenges you’re facing—client demands, overflowing to-do lists, and the constant question of how to actually grow without burning out.

Every episode, we share the lessons learned, the systems that work, and the stories that prove you’re not alone—from the tough setbacks to the game-changing breakthroughs. This isn’t just theory; it’s what we’ve lived, and what we’ve seen transform design businesses just like yours.

If you’re ready to step out of survival mode and into your role as a confident business owner—with more profit, more control, and more freedom—this is your place. Welcome to the community that gets it, and to the podcast that will help you build not just a beautiful business, but a sustainable one.