We are hanging on by a thread this end of summer — Sam takes a Coney Island trip that turns into a full meltdown about how stay-at-home moms are supposed to get anything done with zero uninterrupted minutes, and Lucy relates hard from the working-mom side. We dig into "code switching" between mom mode and work mode, why side hustles feel nearly impossible without a full-time partner in it, and the invisible mental load of teacher assignments, group texts, and dinner fails nobody warned us about. Then Lucy drops her big news: she's officially the new Chief Marketing Officer at Hormbles Chormbles. We talk about the leap, the nerves, and why "hard doesn't mean bad." Plus: Hoosier football szn, Sam's US Open plans, and the great Coney Island vs. state fair debate.

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Dr. Sarah Bren, clinical psychologist and host of Securely Attached, joins us to break down what secure attachment actually means (and debunk some of the myths floating around Instagram). We get into why kids act out more with their parents than anyone else, what's really happening in the brain during separation anxiety and back-to-school transitions, and the science behind "restraint collapse" — the after-school meltdown so many of us deal with. Plus: how to tell the difference between normal developmental stress and something deeper, and how to refill your kid's emotional tank (and your own) when everyone's running on empty.

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This one's a real-time catch-up episode (no outside guest), covering back-to-school transitions, Sam's Florida trip, Isla's sleepaway camp send-off (lice included), and Lucy's state fair chaos.Sam and Lucy are back from a whirlwind end of summer — Sam's fresh off a Florida beach trip and a kid-free weekend with Kyle, while Lucy is three weeks into the school year grind and still recovering from an ill-advised espresso martini. They catch up on the chaos of morning drop-offs, the never-ending backpack debate, and why New York and suburban school cutoffs are wildly different. Then Sam gives the full sleepaway camp report on Isla — the pride, the growth, and yes, the lice — while Lucy shares her family's disastrous-but-joyful trip to the state fair (bee sting included). A real, unfiltered check-in as summer winds down and school ramps up.

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This week on We'll Sleep When We're Dead, we sit down with Denise Woodard — founder and CEO of Partake Foods, the allergy-friendly snack brand you'll find in grocery stores nationwide. Denise spent a decade at Coca-Cola working on brands like Honest Tea before her daughter Vivian's food allergy diagnosis pushed her to leave corporate America and start Partake Foods from her apartment (she got an eviction notice over the shipping boxes).

We talk about what it's really like managing food allergies at school and birthday parties, the exhausting early days of startup life while working full-time and raising a toddler, and why she gave her longtime nanny equity in the business. Denise also shares her honest take on work-life balance as a founder and mom, her non-negotiables for staying sane, and the Partake product — allergen-friendly graham crackers — that almost never made it to shelves.

If you're a mom thinking about starting a business, navigating food allergies with your kids, or just need proof that it's never too late to build something of your own, this episode is for you.

In this episode:

• Denise Woodard's journey from Coca-Cola to founding Partake Foods

• Managing food allergies in young kids: school, birthday parties, and building confidence

• Startup life as a mom: sacrifice, burnout, and asking for help

• Why she gave her nanny equity in Partake Foods

• Advice for moms considering entrepreneurship

• Rapid fire: non-negotiables, favorite Partake product, and weeknight dinners

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We're celebrating one year of We'll Sleep When We're Dead the only way we know how — crammed in one hotel bed in NYC, mic passed back and forth, recovering from a 10-mile walk and a Broadway show we knew nothing about going in.

This one's a grab bag: the real math behind pulling off a kid-free weekend (spoiler: it took an au pair, two camps, and a babysitter), why texting your co-host can feel a lot like texting your husband, and the sleepaway camp FaceTime that turned Sam into a notebook-style sobbing mess — in the best way.

Plus, we're debuting Rate My Week — mom guilt, sleep, marriage, and self-care, scored out of 10 and fully unfiltered — and naming the guests we're dying to book next (dermatologist, RD, pediatrician, and yes, a plastic surgeon).

If you've ever needed permission to take the girls' trip, this is it.

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Meghann Featherstun (Featherstone Nutrition, sports dietitian, 3x NYC Marathon finisher) joins us to talk fueling — and it's not just for marathoners. We get into why most women are chronically underfueling and don't realize it, the carb-shame we all grew up with, why protein matters more as you age, and how to actually calculate your sodium needs if you're a heavy sweater. Plus: her 4:30am routine, eating graham crackers in bed, and why London is the most fun marathon on earth. If you've ever hit a wall on a run (or just felt "hangry" and didn't connect the dots), this one's for you.

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Motherhood is not for the weak, and this week proves it. Stay-at-home mom Sam survives a lice outbreak at the school bus stop, a poison ivy scare, and a frantic 6:30am sleepaway camp packing disaster — all in one week. Working mom Lucy reacts in real time (mostly gagging) as Sam shares what actually happens when lice treatment, camp packing lists, and parenting anxiety collide during summer break. If you've ever dealt with head lice in kids, sleepaway camp prep, or just the mental load of motherhood in the summer, this episode is your permission slip to laugh instead of cry. Real talk on stay-at-home mom life, working mom life, and the parts of motherhood nobody prepares you for.

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Meg DeFeo spent a decade at J.Crew and Madewell before becoming a stay-at-home mom of two — and built the "All The Moments" Instagram community around the idea that getting dressed every day can change everything. In this episode, Meg opens up about leaving corporate fashion, the mental load that pushed her to build a tool for moms, and how Atomic Habits reshaped her mornings. We talk working mom vs. stay-at-home mom transitions, the guilt around spending time (and money) on yourself, capsule wardrobe basics every mom needs, and why she thinks being a SAHM is the hardest job there is. Plus: our rapid-fire on the best jeans, the tuck debate, and whether jean shorts are really "out."

Topics: stay-at-home mom vs working mom, mom style and fashion, capsule wardrobe basics, mental load of motherhood, Atomic Habits, postpartum body image, mom guilt, self-care for moms, J.Crew and Madewell, building an Instagram community as a mom

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You've seen the post: "I only have 18 summers left with my kids, so I'm making every one count." Sam and Lucy are calling BS. This week they get into the guilt-trippy side of summer content — the curated Instagram stories versus the actual meltdown at the splash pad an hour earlier — and why the "limited summers" panic hits different depending on whether you're home with your kids full-time or clocking in from a desk.

They also dig into why so much of what gets posted online is really just someone's insecurity in disguise, the mental load of summer camp logistics gone wrong, and the case for a "90s summer" with less curation and more water balloons.

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Why do so many postpartum moms get told their labs are "normal" when they feel anything but? Nurse practitioner and Postpartum Care USA founder Stacia Scott joins us to break down the real story behind postpartum fatigue, brain fog, anxiety, and weight struggles — and it almost always traces back to one overlooked organ: the thyroid. Stacia walks through a live read of Sam's actual lab work, explaining why standard reference ranges miss dysfunction that's already brewing, what a full thyroid panel should include (most doctors only order one of six necessary markers), and why vitamin D, B12, and blood sugar matter more than you think. We also talk about the postpartum lab gap in women's healthcare, why moms are taught everything about pregnancy and nothing about recovery, and Stacia opens up about her son Cody's battle with stage 4 neuroblastoma and how it's reshaped how she cares for families. A must-listen for any mom who's been told "everything looks fine" and known deep down that it isn't.

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