Welcome to the first episode of This Is Definitely Not a Data Podcast, where Brendan Ellis sits down with co-host Lenno, a Chief Data Officer with 25 years of experience, to tackle the conversations that usually happen behind closed doors.

In this debut episode, they dig into why the data world keeps repeating the same mistakes decade after decade, and why the arrival of AI hasn't changed that as much as people think.

From dashboards nobody uses to AI projects launched before anyone's asked the right questions, Brendan and Lenno make the case that technology isn't the problem...people are.

They explore the growing tension between Gen Z entering a workplace they don't fully understand, and leaders who've stopped asking why in favour of getting answers faster. Is AI making us more curious, or quietly making us lazier thinkers?

Warm, candid, and refreshingly honest, this is the conversation the conference stage never quite gets to.