In this episode of the Tim Ahlman Podcast, Tim sits down with Dr. Bruce Hartung—former seminary professor, counselor, and expert in family systems—to unpack one of the biggest challenges facing the Church today: polarization, anxiety in leadership, breakdown of empathy, and the subtle ways spiritual warfare is dividing believers.

Drawing from decades of experience in pastoral care and leadership development, Dr. Hartung explains why:

- Pastors today feel like they have a “target on their back”
- Political identity is reshaping theological conversations
- “Neural overload” is exhausting our ability to love people well
- And why triangulation (gossip) is quietly destroying church unity

This conversation dives deep into family systems theory, anxious leadership, and the call for Christians to become truly countercultural—not just in belief, but in behavior.

If you care about the future of the Church, pastoral health, or navigating conflict with wisdom and love—this episode is essential.

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