In this episode, John once again welcomes Indigenous advocates Simon Moya Smith and Julie Franciello to discuss the complex legacies of historical figures like Cesar Chavez and the challenges faced by Indigenous communities today. The conversation delves into the painful truths about admired leaders, the intricacies of trauma responses, and the importance of recognizing the contributions of women in movements. Simon and Julie also explore the historical kinship between Irish and Indigenous peoples, highlighting acts of solidarity and the ongoing struggles against colonialism.

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