In this Schumacher Conversation, longtime friends Wes Jackson and David Orr skillfully exchange stories to reveal hidden truths about the present moment. The discussion ranges from sustainable agriculture and a potential back to the land movement, to the role of politics and the need to repair racial and economic injustices. This conversation took place on August 13, 2020 and was moderated by David Bollier, Director of the Schumacher Center's Reinventing the Commons Program.