In our first "meaty" episode, Xander and Erik tackle ISIS, with such awesome questions as:

1. What considerations should govern how we try to take down ISIS?

2. Why is current policy against ISIS not working?

3. What's different about ISIS from enemies past that means we need a new strategy?

4. What about human nature and western politics keeps us from taking on ISIS in the right way?

Articles from the podcast:

• The Atlantic article, "What ISIS Really Wants"
• Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations
• The really great Wikipedia page...

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