We've Got To Talk

Jolene used to start every morning with Fox News until her daughter, Bobbi told her to switch to Mo News, and now both of us listen. So we were thrilled to sit down with Mosheh Oinounou, founder of Mo News and former executive producer of the CBS Evening News, and Jill Wagner, the managing editor and co-host of the Mo News Podcast. They tell the origin story of Mo News, which began as Covid lockdown-era Instagram Stories sent to friends and family and grew into a daily podcast, newsletter and team of more than a dozen.

We dig into the state of the media, with Mo making the case both for and against legacy media. Outlets like CBS and the Washington Post still have the resources to hold power to account, but the business model is breaking as advertisers move to Google and Facebook and AI summaries eat the clicks. Mosheh shares that Americans rank last in the Reuters global survey on trust in the media, and he and Jill explain how Mo News tries to earn trust by answering questions, admitting mistakes, and trying to equally upset both sides.

We talk about news diets, media bias and how stories get picked. Mosheh explains why he tells students to treat news like a diet, with some chocolate but plenty of broccoli, and why the goal of much cable news is to make you angry. We also get a behind-the-scenes look at how the team decides what to cover, from the Russian plague story to why Washington is more Veep than House of Cards, plus honest feedback from us on coverage that went too far, and a frank conversation about newsroom politics and Gen Z.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

02:36 Mo News Origin Story

07:31 Future Of Legacy Media

10:28 AI Eating Media

15:25 Americans Trust Media Last

19:37 Your News Diet

23:36 Fox And MSNOW Experiment

27:40 Foreign Coverage Blind Spots

30:15 What Makes A Story

34:44 Washington Is Veep

36:19 AI Warning Signs

38:04 Armchair Detective Fatigue

48:00 Newsroom Bias And Gen Z

53:55 Good For The Soul

57:44 Where To Find Mo News

RESOURCES MENTIONED

Mo News: https://www.mo.news/

Mo News Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mosheh

Mo News YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/moshehnews

Mo News Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MoshehNews

Mo News X: https://x.com/Mosheh

Mo News TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mosheh

Good for the Soul: Puzzles and Pick Up the Phone!

WGTT LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

WGTT Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

The USA 2026 Midterms are coming, and it feels like the whole country is being held hostage by political ads. They are everywhere, and a lot of them aren’t designed to inform you; they’re designed to polarize you. Jolene and I talk about how the media cycle shapes your nervous system, why constant outrage makes us less informed, and how both parties use fear to rally their base and keep voters reactive.

We also get into polling, because at this point it can feel like a daily anxiety machine. “The race is tightening.” “Momentum is shifting.” But who actually answers polls anymore, and what do small sample sizes really tell us in a country this big? We unpack why midterm election polls often create more noise than clarity, and how they can push people into gloating, spiralling, or checking out before voting even starts.

On a personal level, we talk about the very real frustration of choosing between candidates you don’t love. In New York’s 10th Congressional District, I’ve had that “lesser of two evils” feeling more than once, and Jolene’s point is simple: this isn’t just a liberal problem or a conservative problem. It’s a system problem, and the system rarely rewards candidates trying to serve the middle during US elections.

We share how we’re shifting from fear to facts with grounded sources like Gabe Fleisher’s Wake Up to Politics https://www.youtube.com/@wakeuptopolitics , and why it still matters to vote even if you have to hold your nose. We also talk about tools like Bridgegrades.org , following the money, and slowing down on purpose so you can make a clear-headed choice instead of getting played by the outrage machine.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

01:41 Why Polls Feel Useless

07:52 Are Any Races Competitive

10:29 Predictions House vs Senate

10:55 Attack Ads Get Ugly

12:40 Money Flooding Elections

16:15 Voting Early and Ballot Confusion

17:39 Judges and Local Races Matter

20:04 Tools for Smarter Voting

24:43 Big States To Watch

25:12 Cities Poverty And DSA

29:31 Minnesota Senate Spotlight

30:32 Polls Margin Of Error

32:08 Election Night Survival Tips

RESOURCES MENTIONED

Gabe Fleisher's Substack Wake Up to Politics: https://open.substack.com/pub/wakeuptopolitics/p/everyone-thinks-theyre-going-to-win?r=n7so4&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Gabe Fleisher’s YouTube Wake up to Politics:

https://www.youtube.com/@wakeuptopolitics

We Made This Political Podcast: https://wemadethispolitical.substack.com/p/ep-68-gabe-fleisher-on-saving-political

Isaac Saul:The Dark Side Behind Fear Based Political Ads https://youtu.be/vbMCeI19PPE?si=vaIQimN8HPU-7zJ7

Tangle: https://www.instagram.com/p/Deu29OvDw1m/?img_index=3

Bridge Grades: https://www.bridgegrades.org/

Brad Porteus: https://youtu.be/g4kH4AFXqNs?si=7NtBFT4VRICC7SmZ

Marc Goldwein: https://youtu.be/PH8naCqamcE?si=HV05zuJ7-4G_B_wm

Watch Midterms Live here: https://www.youtube.com/@MoNews

City Cast Salt Lake City podcast: https://saltlake.citycast.fm/

LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

“Underneath every complaint is a hope.” That line from Liz Vogel stopped Jolene and I in our tracks, because once you hear it, you see it everywhere. The angry post, the rant at the school meeting, the neighbor who won’t stop talking about how everything’s gone downhill often isn’t just complaining. It’s someone asking, in the only way they know how, to be seen, to be heard, and to feel like someone actually cares.

We sat down with Liz Vogel, Executive Director of New Pluralists, to talk about bridging divides in a politically divided America without trying to change each other’s minds. Liz is also training as a death doula, and she explains why that work connects so naturally to pluralism, because at the end of life, what people want most is to be understood on their own terms. That same need sits underneath so much of our conflict right now.

Liz breaks down what New Pluralists actually does: it’s a funder collaborative investing in local organizations across the US that are doing the real work of building cooperation, reducing isolation, and helping communities stay in relationship even when they disagree. This is about depolarization, social cohesion, and rebuilding trust, not creating a country where everyone thinks the same or forcing a “mushy middle” where convictions don’t matter.

We talk about pluralism as a practical way to live together in a diverse society while still solving problems together. The goal isn’t to win arguments or convert people; it’s to humanize each other again and stop treating the person across from you like a symbol.

00:00 Introduction

03:24 What New Pluralists Does

05:24 How Funding Works

09:26 Cross Partisan Grantees

16:27 Defining Pluralism

23:48 Dehumanization And Distrust

27:10 Death Doula Lens

36:15 Grief And Rituals

41:29 From Grief To Grievance

44:19 New Pluralists Mission

49:43 Inside The Grant Process

55:19 Pluralism And Hope Practice

RESOURCES MENTIONED

New Pluralists Website: https://newpluralists.org/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newpluralists/posts/?feedView=all

LinkedIn Liz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizvogel23/

Liz's Good for the Soul: https://goodreads.com/book/show/43708884.The_Boy__the_Mole__the_Fox_and_the_Horse

LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

Jolene and I have been trying to work out whether the US is actually in a financial emergency, or whether we’re just stuck in the usual loop of scary headlines, charts, and people yelling on cable news. Because after a while you either spiral or you go numb, and neither one helps you understand what’s real. So we spoke to economist Marc Goldwein, and instead of drama, he gave us the calm, numbers-based version, which was somehow more unsettling.

Marc’s view is blunt: the US is in the worst financial shape it’s ever been in, at least in the ways that matter for what comes next. He points to 10-year and 30-year Treasury yields being the highest since the early 2000s, which matters because higher interest rates plus massive national debt means the cost of servicing that debt starts eating everything else. It’s like carrying a credit card balance you can’t pay down, then watching the interest rate jump while you try to keep living your life as normal.

The part that really lands is this: US interest payments now exceed national defense spending. That’s not a talking point, it’s a budget reality, and it changes what the government can afford to do. Marc also explains that while the national debt is close to its World War II level, the interest burden is worse, with interest as a share of the economy roughly doubling. So even if the debt number feels historically familiar, the pressure it creates today is not.

Then we get to the obvious question: if it’s this bad, why aren’t we fixing it? Marc’s answer is basically incentives. Politicians get rewarded for cutting taxes and handing out benefits, and punished for asking people to pay more or accept less. Add in the time-horizon problem, where leaders focus on the next election instead of the next decade, and you get a system that keeps kicking the can until it turns into a wrecking ball. The takeaway is uncomfortable but simple: this isn’t only a politician problem, it’s also a voter problem, and if we don’t face it now, we’re handing future generations a country where more and more money goes to interest and less goes to anything that actually makes life better.

00:00 Introduction

03:09 Why Debt Keeps Rising

04:17 Social Security Clock

06:47 Explaining The Trust Fund

12:22 Simpson Bowles Lessons

19:11 Two Big New Ideas

23:27 AARP And Political Will

27:00 What It Takes To Reform

29:21 Commissions Versus Regular Order

32:54 Why AARP Has Power

34:49 Debt Versus Deficit

41:12 Fixes Healthcare Waste

45:04 Tax Reform And Revenue

51:48 Your Civic Assignment

53:56 Where To Find CRFB

RESOURCES MENTIONED

Committee For A Responsible Federal Budget: https://www.crfb.org/

Marc's Good for the Soul: https://marthastable.org/

LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

Most of us don’t want “our side” to win. We want the country to work, with less chaos, less political theater, and fewer people getting rich off outrage while nothing gets fixed. We’re joined by Lura Forcum, a consumer and social psychologist who studies the human dynamics underneath politics, identity, belonging, and why we get so weird around people who disagree with us.

Lura breaks down why “tribalism” isn’t just a buzzword. It’s the system underneath the system, and the real danger isn’t bickering; it’s dehumanization. Once the other side feels like an existential threat, we stop having policy conversations and start living in a survival story, and you can’t govern well from that place.

We also talk about competitive politics versus tribal politics, and why purity tests on both sides reward warriors instead of statesmen. Lura explains how parties stop listening to voters and start dictating terms, and why policy so often gets made without talking to the people who actually live under it.

If you’re disillusioned, tired, or waiting for the perfect candidate, Lura’s message is simple: vote anyway. Vote as an independent thinker, show up for primaries, and reward decency and public service over performative outrage. Her final assignment is surprisingly wholesome and honestly needed right now: have a potluck, break bread, and rebuild community face to face.

00:00 Introduction

04:15 Tribal vs Competitive Politics

07:44 Warriors and Purity Tests

15:29 Rebuilding Civic Culture

18:15 Entitlement Reform Reality Check

22:11 Why Parties Ignore Voters

26:41 Independents and Real Competition

35:46 Why Primaries Matter

38:53 Decency Over Policy Purity

44:03 Social Media and Tribal Rage

48:05 Potluck as Civic Medicine

RESOURCES MENTIONED

Where to Find Lura:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/luraforcum/

https://www.facebook.com/lura.forcum

https://substack.com/@luraforcum

https://www.instagram.com/luraforcum/

https://www.youtube.com/@LuraForcum_HowtoHuman

Lura’s Podcast:

https://wemadethispolitical.substack.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@WeMadeThisPolitical

LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

Most of us don’t actually want “our side” to win. We want the country to work, with less chaos, less political theatre, and fewer people getting rich off outrage while nothing gets fixed.

This week we welcomed Brad Porteus from Bridge Grades back onto the podcast, and his idea is refreshingly simple. Bridge Grades is a congressional report card that doesn’t measure ideology, it measures collaboration. It uses nonpartisan, third-party data to score how lawmakers govern, so you can get a clearer read on who builds across the aisle and who fuels division.

What hit us most is how much this challenges the way we’re trained to vote. Most people don’t vote based on effectiveness; they vote based on identity, fear, habit, or revenge, and if you’re deeply loyal to a party, a report card probably won’t change your mind. The bigger opportunity is everyone else, especially the exhausted middle and the millions of eligible Americans who didn’t vote last election because they don’t trust anyone and don’t see the point.

If you’re curious, use Bridge Grades as a second lens before the next election. Look up your lawmakers, notice what happens in your own head when you see a grade you didn’t expect, and ask what we’re rewarding as a culture. Because if we keep voting like it’s a tribal loyalty test, we’re going to keep getting tribal outcomes, and we’ll all keep sitting here wondering why nothing works.

00:00 Introduction

00:21 Meet Brad and Bridge Grades

01:49 How the Scoring Works

07:29 Legislative Metrics Explained

11:22 Gaming the Bipartisan Score

13:47 Performative Bridging Debate

17:37 Exhausted Middle and Independents

20:29 Bridgers at Risk in Swing Seats

28:26 Roasting Government Dysfunction

31:41 Texas Race Trust Issues

34:14 Breaking Tribal Partisanship

36:32 Reaching the Disengaged Millions

38:05 Shift from Party to Ideology

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Brad's Good for the Soul:

Otis Cutts Old Music Friday: https://www.instagram.com/owencutts/?hl=en

LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

We’ve lost a lot of trust in politicians in America, and it’s not hard to see why. Politics feels like a permanent campaign where leaders are performing, fundraising, and protecting their careers while the real problems keep getting worse.

Our guest is Adam Cronkright, creator of the film Goodbye Politicians Hello Democracy, which explores a bold alternative to the current political system. Adam’s idea is simple but disruptive: replace career politicians with ordinary citizens selected by lottery, supported with experts and staff, and asked to make decisions on behalf of their communities. It’s a conversation about democratic lotteries, citizen assemblies, and what “government by the people” could actually mean in practice.

We talk about why elections often produce a political class instead of real representation, and how incentives like party loyalty, media attention, and fundraising have turned politics into theatre. Adam shares what happened when 30 regular people in Michigan were selected during 2020 to work through pandemic decisions together, and why good faith disagreement becomes possible when nobody is angling for re-election or scoring points for social media.

If you’re tired of political polarisation, the two-party system, and the feeling that you’re just a spectator in your own democracy, this episode offers a hopeful, practical reframe. It’s about accountability, trust, civic participation, and whether citizens could govern more effectively than professional politicians.

00:00 Introduction

00:22 Meet Adam Cronkright

05:19 Why Make This Film

07:18 Democratic Lottery Explained

09:17 How Selection Works

14:07 Where Democracy Goes Next

18:10 A Post Party System

22:25 Pushback and Corruption

27:34 Extremes and Being Heard

30:19 How to Watch the Film

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Goodbye Politicians, Hello Democracy: https://goodbyepoliticians.movie/

Adam's Good for the Soul: My Unsung Hero podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-unsung-hero/id1586880312

https://open.spotify.com/show/2lBDAGE8UkizPEC2ZjmgaP

LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

Politics can feel like a loyalty test now. Like you are either on the right team, or you are a threat. In this conversation with Larry Rosen, attorney turned mediator and host of The Enemies Project YouTube docuseries, we talk about what happens when people stop seeing each other as humans and start treating politics like a team sport.

Larry’s work sits right in the middle of the biggest problems in political polarization and social division: we assume intention, we fill in the blanks with the worst story, and we turn disagreement into moral war. We unpack why conflict is rarely just about the surface issue, how “enemy making” works, and why curiosity feels like betrayal when the nervous system is in threat mode.

We also get into Larry’s approach to depolarization and conflict resolution, including rapport-building, extreme perspective taking, and the moment that changes everything: helping people understand what the other person is trying to protect. It is not about forcing agreement. It is about making it harder to keep the other side as a cartoon, and easier to have hard conversations without dehumanising each other.

If you care about bridging the political divide, civil discourse, and how to talk to people you disagree with without damaging your relationships beyond repair, this one will land. It is a reminder that healing is not soft, and it is not naive; it is one of the only paths out of the loop we are stuck in.

00:00 Introduction

00:22 Meet Larry Rosen

02:50 From Lawyer to Mediator

05:43 Why Enemies Project Started

12:20 Enemies Project Format

15:49 Extreme Perspective Taking

19:37 Healthy Conflict Zone

23:33 Platforming and Safety

30:38 Casting Real Enemies

34:29 Why Activists Fight

35:39 Low Empathy And AI

42:22 Future Of Enemies Project

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://www.enemiesproject.org/

Larry's Good for the Soul:

https://youtube.com/shorts/aFuuyibkx1Q?si=MhVJvWhH5SMGPDdb

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

We are back in the Ozarks for our second annual in-person recording at Jolene’s house, and we decided to ask each other a handful of questions we have thought about asking, but never have.

We start with something deceptively simple: why Jolene hides how funny (and sometimes crass) she is on the podcast. It turns into a bigger conversation about authenticity, self-censoring, and how exhausting it is to try to be inoffensive all the time. In a culture where politics feels performative and everyone is bracing for outrage, being real can feel risky, but it is also what makes people relatable.

From there we get into the harder stuff: what Nicole struggles to defend about the Democratic Party, and what Republican beliefs she actually agrees with. We talk about political extremes, the national debt, homelessness, cost of living, and why so many people can “smell” consultant language and talking points a mile away. It is less about scoring points and more about thinking clearly, even when your own side is messy.

If you are tired of political polarization, tribalism, and the feeling that every conversation is a loyalty test, this episode is a reminder that there is another way through, and it starts with staying human long enough to listen.

00:00 Introduction

00:35 Five Questions Challenge

01:07 Why Not More Humor

05:44 Democrats Hard To Defend

11:13 Holding Back On Air

15:35 Common Ground With GOP

17:27 Questioning Beliefs ALICE

25:13 Three Laws As President

26:47 Voter ID Accountability

27:14 Reining In Executive Orders

28:26 Stocks PACs and Lobbyists

30:27 Why AI Feels Dangerous

35:02 Everyday AI and Kids

37:27 Dream Administration Picks

43:25 Cross Party Leadership Idea

44:37 Personal Secrets and Shyness

47:07 Pickup Truck Life Lesson

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Larry Rosen of The Enemies Project: https://www.enemiesproject.org/

WGTT United for Alice episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWR77jzh1aQ

Gwen Stefani- Hollerback Girl: https://youtu.be/Kgjkth6BRRY?si=p_xkfcscFsHegSD4

Patsy Cline- Crazy: https://youtu.be/MbnrdCS57d0?si=H7N6gdb9DX4JBp3m

Dolly Parton-Jolene: https://youtu.be/Ixrje2rXLMA?si=k6qzW_ix_5MwiX9G

Ray LaMontagne- Jolene: https://youtu.be/YTjKotAu4xQ?si=VX_9eYc6Xxd3GLTB

Cruise Inn Throttle Down: https://cruise-inns.com/

Congress Stock Trading: https://www.quiverquant.com/congresstrading/

Van Jones interview with Bill Gates: https://vanjones.substack.com/p/my-bill-gates-interview-on-ai-global?r=n7so4&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web×tamp=1.2

Brooke L. Rollins, Secretary of Agriculture: https://www.usda.gov/our-agency/about-usda/our-secretary

Senator Jeff Merkley: https://www.merkley.senate.gov/

Governor Mikie Sherill: https://www.nj.gov/governor/

Courage Can Save Us Book: https://couragecansaveus.com/

With Honor: https://withhonor.org/

Rahm Emanuel: https://www.instagram.com/rahmemanuel/?hl=en

Sarah Longwell of The Bulwark: https://www.longwellpartners.com/sarah-longwell/

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

A year and a half ago, when we started our podcast, Jolene and I had an uncomfortable realization. We weren’t just “watching the news”; we were watching news that already agreed with us. Jolene had her conservative media, I had my liberal media, and even when we landed on the same basic facts, the emotional tone was completely different depending on what we’d been consuming. Same country, same week, two totally different versions of reality shaped by cable news and political commentary.

So we cleaned up our media diet and started looking for sources that show more than one angle, like Ground News, Tangle, Mo News, 1440, and Straight Arrow News. We wanted to be less easily manipulated by algorithms and outrage, and better able to have civil conversations across political differences. If you’ve been searching for “balanced news sources,” “media bias chart,” or “how to avoid political echo chambers,” this is exactly the road we started walking.

Then my husband Josh, suggested a new experiment: a full week of Fox News and MSNOW (full immersion, no cherry-picked clips). I know it’s a shock to hear this, but it did not make us smarter. It made us anxious. Both networks seemed to run the same play, just with different villains: keep you slightly scared, slightly angry, and just certain enough that you don’t go looking elsewhere. It wasn’t “here’s what happened,” it was “here’s what happened, here’s who to blame, and here’s why you should be worried.”

What really stung is how normal it feels when you’re in it daily. It feels like being responsible, like staying informed, like doing your civic duty. But after a week, we could see the pattern clearly: less clarity, more defensiveness, more judgement, and more confidence about things we hadn’t actually researched. We talk about how 24-hour news cycles turn commentary into the product, why outrage is profitable, and what to do instead, including tools like Ad Fontes Media, reading across sources, and the simplest antidote of all: get back into real life, talk to actual humans, and take action in your community instead of marinating in rage.

00:00 Introduction

01:36 One Week Fox vs MSNBC

02:09 Three Takeaways From Jolene

04:05 Nicole’s Takeaways

06:33 Bias Charts And Better Sources

07:39 Big Stories Compared

09:58 Spin On Trump And Iran

14:07 Quit Doomscrolling All Day

19:59 How To Research Without Bias

25:00 Do Something With The News

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

We've Got To Talk Swamping News Sources for 10 days episode: https://youtu.be/5wtPeP8XwAk?si=pzJ5Ef_KL8gz5Yaw

Fox News Hourly Update: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fox-news-hourly-update/id209991975

Morning Joe podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/morning-joe/id974299441

Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/

MSNOW: https://www.ms.now/

Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart: https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive?utm_source=adfontesmedia&utm_medium=website

Tangle News: https://www.readtangle.com/

Mo News: https://www.mo.news/

Straight Arrow News: https://san.com/

Ground News: https://ground.news/

1440: https://join1440.com/

Isaac Saul of Tangle Ted Talk: https://youtu.be/543mYKKh1EE?si=aEscLTxkXbGx39IR

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/