On today's episode, presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin assesses the ongoing fight over the role of government at a talk in Bloomington, plus a scholar who has studied the concept of sanctuary says it's under threat on college campuses during this time to federal scrutiny.

Support the show: https://donate.nprstations.org/wglt/wglt-choose-donation

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.