In the fifth episode of Season three, Sam is joined by Susan Rowe - a former lawyer of 27 years who has recently retired, opening up about her battle with depression.‍ On the surface level it would appear that Susan had all her ducks in a row, but that is what is so misguiding about mental illness - its not necessarily visible from the outside. She was a 'successful,' accomplished lawyer who poured her heart and soul into her career, only recently pivoting into the education and research space, to help the legal industry of New Zealand achieve a better way of practicing the law.‍ Susan shares everything she thought she ever wanted in a career, to melting down over a long weekend after realising she was expressing symptoms of depression. Having experienced a serious skiing accident, Susan thought she would return to work as per normal, with the same drive and tenacity as she had always had. The problem was, it didn't feel the same.‍ Hear from Susan what it was like to battle away, hide from her peers and sweep it under the rug, until it became a bit much. Learn about what she did and what she still does today to stay on top of her illness. Susan's next piece of work is a truly exciting one too, make sure you get around the data to support her next step.‍ Hit "Play Now" in the title or listen to Susan's story on your favourite podcast platform.

From Mexico to Aotearoa New Zealand, María has built a career that bridges continents, cultures and legal systems. Now part of the Corporate Advisory and Transactions team at Wynn Williams, she brings deep international experience to her work in M&A, capital raising, commercial structuring and more.

But her impact doesn’t stop there.

Through her initiative, Pink Fern Consulting, María supports foreign-trained lawyers navigating requalification in New Zealand. She offers practical advice, cultural insight and a much-needed sense of community. She is sharp, generous and full of insight.

A great listen for any lawyer considering a move to New Zealand from overseas, or even from New Zealand to somewhere else.

In the third episode of Season 3 of the What a Lawyer podcast, Sam speaks with Katharine Hockly from Data Story. The conversation is based on her legal career and the skills acquired from various legal environments, and ultimately how they transfer into her new career slightly outside of the law.

Katharine's journey through private practice and in-house Government roles describes opportunity, training and great people surrounding her. Putting herself in positions to learn, manage and succeed in law has given her a robust and fully transferrable skillset that means she can operate her own business, and in a totally different role.

Hear about Katharine's journey and how she has made it her own.

Hit "Play Now" in the title or listen on your favourite podcast platform.

In the second episode of Season 3 of the What a Lawyer podcast, Sarah sits down with Keegan Jones from WRMK Lawyers in Whangārei.

Keegan’s journey into law reflects a deep sense of purpose, combining strong commercial experience with a commitment to community and kaupapa Māori values. After clerking at a commercial firm in Christchurch and completing his Law and Commerce degrees at the University of Canterbury, he moved into policy and advisory work at Te Puni Kōkiri - the Ministry of Māori Development - before returning home to Northland.

Now a Senior Solicitor at WRMK Lawyers, Keegan advises across a broad mix of commercial and construction matters, including business sales, leasing, shareholder arrangements, and development projects. But it's what he’s building beyond his day job that truly sets him apart.

In 2022, Keegan founded the Free Legal Clinics Project – an initiative offering free, iwi-based legal support across Northland. Since its launch, the project has helped over 500 people and is expanding into Christchurch and the Waikato.

Keegan has already been recognised as a NZ Lawyer Rising Star, named among the Most Influential Lawyers in the country, and was a semi-finalist for Young New Zealander of the Year – and he’s only just getting started.

Tune in to hear how Keegan is using his legal career to create meaningful change, one community at a time. Hit "Play Now" in the title or listen on your favourite podcast platform.

In the first episode of Season 3 of the What a Lawyer podcast, Sam sits down with Gemma Wragg from Tavendale & Partners in Christchurch. ‍Gemma started her career as a practicing lawyer in commercial law, property, private client and agribusiness, but also had a passion for human rights and education as a whole. She made a great start with Duncan Cotterill after clerking in Timaru, and felt she learned the basics of bigger-picture thinking from her former supervisor. ‍In moving to Tavendale & Partners, she experienced several significant role evolutions, skillset acquisitions, responsibilities and challenges. Taking on her Firms first c-suite leadership position, she set about creating an environment that fostered growth and enhanced delivery and enjoyment. ‍Now focussed on revolutionising the legal education and training space for the junior market in her Firm (and perhaps wider), Gemma is bringing all her experience in taking wider requirements and objectives and narrowing them down for our juniors to grasp. It is an exciting time is the education and congratulations to Gemma for taking a leading role.

Join Sarah and Sam as they discuss the legal job market of 2024 and bring the year to a close with this bonus track.

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In the final episode of Season 2, Sam is joined by his business partner, Sarah Wilson, Co-Director of Chisholm Clarke. While Sam typically interviews legal professionals, Sarah brings a fresh perspective from her experience in legal search. Although early in her career, Sarah has quickly made her mark after spending nearly two and a half years at a global recruitment agency and becoming her own boss in January this year. In this episode, Sam and Sarah delve into the 2024 legal market, sharing valuable insights on trends, salary expectations, common challenges and solutions and what lawyers may see in the coming months. They also touch on advice for young, ambitious lawyers navigating the evolving landscape, and provide guidance on how to thrive in a competitive market. They spotlight on general salary trends for lawyers, but for more specific detail - here is a breakdown below. Salaries vary by region, firm type, level and practice area. Larger firms often offer structured benefits to more senior lawyers, while smaller and medium-sized firms balance competitive packages with a focus on work-life balance and flexibility. If you're looking for more detail on comparing your salary, are interested in beginning a conversation with us or have some feedback on this episode, please reach out today. And lastly, thank you to all our listeners, lawyers and law firms of the New Zealand legal industry for supporting this podcast and our work at Chisholm Clarke. It was an honour to receive our first award for Service Provider of the Year to the legal industry this year and sponsor and present the awards at NZ Lawyer's ceremony for Young Private Practice Lawyer of the Year and Young In-House Lawyer of the Year. We are thrilled to support these young, talented lawyers and emerging leaders of Aotearoa and congratulations to the Excellence Awardees and Finalists in both categories, and to all those involved in every category across the night and the industry. We are already looking forward to doing it all over it again next year.

In the final episode of Season 2, we are joined by a new Partner at White Fox & Jones named Sam Thorp.

Sam started his career in the same firm and has demonstrated a keen desire to understand the bigger picture of practicing law, leading him towards a major milestone within a short time frame.

We ask Sam to spill the beans and let us in on what he does, how he empowers his people and where the road leads next. Join us for this enlightening conversation that any young ambitious lawyer might benefit from.

Thank you for all the support we have received for this podcast and the guests that generously shared their stories with our audience.

In this episode, we are joined by a career complex commercial and civil litigator from Buddle Findlay, Cora Morrison. Cora has gained a huge amount of experience across smaller and boutique to large national and highly-ranked Firms, gaining interesting perspective on the workplace.‍It may have been really easy to discuss Cora's background and work, but she chose to do something a little different and address the elephant in the room - the darker side of practicing law. Of course we are talking about ambition, expectation and success, balance and burnout and how to deal with these things.‍As an ambitious and self-proclaimed impatient person, Cora heaped expectation on herself early to reach goals faster. With a whirlwind approach and external factors impacting her personal life, she barreled towards full-blow burnout, twice. Learn from Cora how this happened, what she did to rectify the situation and how one might prevent falling into it in the first place.

In this episode, we talk all things Tax with Julia Johnston, Director of Johnston Law, who comes from a world of tax experience across both disciplines.‍The world of tax is a complex beast. It comes in the form of multiple practicing disciplines across numbers and advisory, for big international corporates all the way down to recent migrants.‍Julia brings us up to speed on what options exist for a recent grad to begin their careers in tax, what it is like to transition from one to the other (Law to Accounting or vice versa) and some great detail on her current practice areas with private clients, the IRD and colleagues within the industry.‍To tune into this conversation, please visit the below link: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0jKw578qFDdfsufAhUWzRR

In this episode we delve into the deep area of Human Rights Law, primarily across humanitarian, immigration and family, with a Senior Associate from Cavell Leitch named Rabiah Khawaja.‍Sam and Rabiah begin with touching on live, real world issues and what sort of humanitarian responses New Zealand provides and how effective that is. Responses are allocated, but proportions of relief are not always the same.‍Migrants that are effected by war-torn countries or have had their families or homes lost in significant natural disasters are supported by Rabiah's work to assist refugees. One might need to hold back the tears when seeing, hearing and dealing with what she does on a daily basis. ‍Rabiah also discusses growing diverstiy int he workplace and why personal connections are so important for team collaboration.