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The word holiness can feel like a verdict, especially if you’ve been burned by “standards” that sounded more like a measuring stick than good news. Kathy sits down with her pastor to untangle the knot: holiness as a life turned toward God, standards as practices that may flow from that love, and the harm that happens when we reverse the order. The conversation is tender, candid, and practical—rooted in real stories of backsliders who returned against all odds and found that God had been working the whole time.

We get honest about what keeps people away: the belief that you must fix everything before God will receive you, the sting of conference moments that celebrate strictness while fragile hearts shut down, and the old habit of wearing an image like armor. Kathy shares her own journey—fashion, jewelry, hair, and the gym culture that once defined her—and how God slowly reshaped identity from the inside out. The pastor offers a clear path: start with presence, not performance. Let love make surrender light. Fruit will follow the root.

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Redeem California, With God it IS Possible:

God of the Impossible: 30-Prayers for the Redemption and Restoration of California