What Am I Making Podcast

Warren Zanes never expected to be a writer. As a teenager, he began a band, The Del Fuegos, with his older brother Dan. Zanes didn’t possess much of a plan, but he rode the rock and roll dream for a few years while it lasted. The Del Fuegos managed to sign a deal with Slash Records, a subsidiary of Warner Bros. The band enjoyed critical success and found excited audiences across the country. During the three year run that Warren was in the band, The Del Fuegos also toured with INXS, Tom Petty & The Hartbreakers, ZZ Top, and X.

After leaving the Del Fuegos, Zanes pursued a life in academia, studying at New York University, Case Western ReserveUniversity, and the University of Rochester where he obtained a Ph.D. in Visual and Cultural Studies. It was during this stretch in the ivied halls of scholarship, that Zanes would find his talent and his passion as a writer.

Since earning his doctorate, Zanes has chronicled the behind the scenes stories of some of the most notable creators of the 20th century. His first book, a study of the revered Dusty In Memphis album by famed singer Dusty Springfield, was the first book published in the esteemed 33 ⅓ series, an ongoing collection of short books about great records. Zanes had first been encouraged to write for the series by songwriter and friend, Joe Pernice, who was also working on his own contribution for the 33 ⅓ series.

Zanes has gone on to pen a pair of books about Tom Petty, and he helmed Revolutions In Sound, a retrospective of the first five decades of Warner Bros. records. Despite all of those accolades, Zanes is now probably best known for his 2023 tome, Deliver Me From Nowhere, which chronicles the making of Bruce Springsteen’s Nebraska album. Last year, the book was adapted into a major motion picture with Jeremy Allen White starring as Springsteen.

During our extensive conversation, Warren and I touch upon the way he sees AI shaping the minds of his young students, and the ways in which technology and the pandemic have severely altered their lives and our greater culture. Zanes opens up about having an absent father, and the ways that absence shaped his own approach to fatherhood. There is talk of resilience, the path to sobriety, and finding the greatest joy in the smallest moments, like eating pizza out of the back of a station wagon. There’s loads here to love.

Cheers,

Matty C

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Thanks so much to Warren for joining me. You can find out all about his writing, music, and more at https://www.warren-zanes.com/

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

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Tobin Sprout is an artist in the truest sense of the word. Sprout is an esteemed fine arts painter with a vast collection of gorgeous works that often catalog the magic within the mundanity of everyday American life. In addition to his accomplished visual art, Sprout is perhaps best known for his musical output, most notably as an original member of the legendary Dayton indie rock band, Guided By Voices. For more than four decades, Tobin Sprout has been churning out songs, paintings, illustrations, and even children’s books.

Yet, for all of his creative output, it is the way that Sprout lives day to day that proves his artistic intent. With a monk like devotion, he returns to his work each day, lamenting the arrival of the weekends and the expectation that he should put work on the back burner. This is a man who is always on the creative path, forever out seeking new ideas and inspirations.

Tobin grew up the child of visual artists, and took to painting and drawing immediately. In fact, Sprout was so naturally gifted at creating with his hands that he assumed everyone possessed the same skills that he did. While studying illustration and design at Ohio University, Tobin refined his artistic acumen, and began to hone a unique visual voice. After he returned home from school, Sprout fell in with a budding songwriter named Robert Pollard, and the pair began making music with a new band that Pollard was calling Guided By Voices. The rest, as they, is history.

Pollard, Sprout and company would go on to become one of the most legendary acts of the indie rock era. The original lineup of Guided By Voices, which featured Sprout, would release nine albums in nine years. Tobin and I discussed what it was like to be a songwriter in the same band with Bob Pollard, a man known for his Herculean output and creativity. Working quickly, and cheaply, was key to GBV’s success. Tobin shares one story about a now famous tune that was written and recorded on a boombox in a basement in a single afternoon.

During our chat, we hit upon the pendulum swings of artistic life, and the sacrifices that we often have to make to balance our creative work with our home life. This balance of proriorites truly hit home for Tobin the moment his son was born five weeks early in Dayton, Ohio while he was still out on tour in Vancouver with Guided By Voices, essentially ending the original lineup of the band.

Sprout has also had a sterling solo career outside of GBV. He’s released eight full length albums as well as a series of EPs and singles. Tobin has also fronted the band Eyesinweasel, a sort of solo non de plume, and made a pair of records with Pollard in a project that they dubbed Airport 5. In 2010, Sprout even rejoined Guided By Voices with other members of the original lineup. Over the course of five years, that reinvigorated GBV classic lineup would go on to release seven albums and play a raft of shows.

These days life is a bit quieter for Tobin Sprout. He works daily in his studio, and enjoys a leisurely life in the wilds of Northern Michigan. While he could likely rest on his laurels and fade into retirement, the artist inside Sprout is still itching to get to work every morning. And that’s just the way he likes it.

Let’s get into it.

Cheers,

Matty C

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Thanks so much to Tobin for joining me. You can find out all about his music and visual art at https://www.tobinsprout.net/

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

Our work is solely sponsored by listeners and readers like you. Please lend your support today with a paid subscription at whatamimaking.substack.com/. Now is a crucial time for new paid subscribers. Please step up and support the show. 

You can email the show anytime at [email protected]. You can also leave us a voicemail with your questions or concerns at speakpipe.com/whatamimaking

By the time he was in middle school, Pete Ganbarg could spot a hit song. While the rest of his peers were dancing and hanging out with girls while the music played, Ganbarg wondered if what he was listening to was “a hit. Perhaps even more peculiarly, Pete was obsessed with why something was a hit or not. Since that moment, Pete Ganbarg has been fixated on what really makes up a hit song.

As he points out in our talk, just because something is popular doesn’t mean that it’s great. And, in much the same way, just because something is great, doesn’t mean that it will become popular. Ganbarg has spent his adult life and his whole career trying to thread the needle, seeking out acts that are both great, and that have the potential to be a smash success.

Ganbarg fell into an A & R job almost by accident. His taste and his confidence in what he liked and why impressed a record executive enough to offer him a job. That coincidental hire led to a sixteen year career at Atlantic Records, where Ganbarg oversaw some of the most commercially successful albums of the CD era.

With his vast experience and impressive rolodex, Ganbarg began working on Rock & Roll High School, his terrific podcast that features interviews with folks from across the musical spectrum about both their work and their lives. The show, now in its fifth season, delicately balances the hidden stories of artists, and their work, while also offering a window into the mind and life of a wide range of great musicians.

During our conversation, Ganbarg and I cover one of the great regrets of his A & R career, and we hit upon why knowing the history of rock and roll is still crucial for young people entering the music business. Pete also explains why curation and taste are even more important in the age of the algorithm.

A quick production; I had some Zoom connection issues during my chat with Pete. There will be a choppy edit or two, but it’s nothing that will distract from the conversation. So, here now are me and the A& R legend that is Pete Ganbarg.

Let’s get into it.

Cheers,Matty C

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Thanks so much to Pete for joining me. You can find his terrific podcast, Rock & Roll High School wherever you get your pods, or at https://www.rockschoolpodcast.com/

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

Our work is solely sponsored by listeners and readers like you. Please lend your support today with a paid subscription at whatamimaking.substack.com/. Now is a crucial time for new paid subscribers. Please step up and support the show. 

You can email the show anytime at [email protected]. You can also leave us a voicemail with your questions or concerns at speakpipe.com/whatamimaking

Jessica Dobson began showing off her musical acumen before she could read chapter books. On a car ride as a very young child, Jessica sang along with the radio, as many kids do. However, instead of singing along with the lead melody, Jessica sang her own harmony part with the recording. Her mother was understandably stunned. With encouragement from her family, especially a “rock and roll” aunt, Dobson learned to play guitar, largely eschewing traditional lessons for a more didactic path.

As her abilities and talents grew, Jessica began dabbling with the act of songwriting and slowly started building her own unique voice. Dobson began to blossom as a guitar player, approaching the fretboard with a fierce combination of raw talent and deep focus. Eventually, Dobson formed Deep Sea Diver with drummer Peter Mansen. The project was built around Jessica’s songs, her powerful voice, and her brilliant guitar playing. Around the same time that Deep Sea Diver formed, Jessica landed a gig playing in Beck’s live band on the massive Modern Guilt tour.

On the heels of the formation of her new band and touring with Beck, Dobson found a new home as a member of The Shins, touring with the band for close to three years. In 2013, Jessica left the Shins to pursue Deep Sea Diver full time. Since the band’s inception, Deep Sea Diver have released four albums and a trio of EPs. Over the course of the band’s history it is easy to see the evolution of Dobson and her songwriting. With each successive record, Deep Sea Diver have become more confident and more self-assured.

During our chat, Jessica and I take a long look at the path to today, both musically and personally. We cover the depths of self-doubt and imposter syndrome. Dobson shares the personal story of the difficult false starts involved in making the most recent Deep Sea Diver album, Billboard Heart. Jessica shares how a Wim Wenders film inspired her in the process of making the newest album, and she teaches us how to live with our antennas up.

This is a fascinating conversation about self-discovery, intuition, artistic faith, and the path to finding your own voice.

Let’s get into it.

Cheers,

Matty C

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Thanks so much to Jessica for joining me. You can find her work in Deep Sea Diver wherever you get your music. Please remember to buy local or direct from the artist whenever possible.

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

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Dan Nordheim’s amazing podcast Life Of The Record is a treasure trove for record nerds like me. On each episode, Dan focuses on one important album in the annals of rock history. But these episodes are far more than a simple academic rehash of famous records and rock star exploits. Nordheim conducts in depth interviews with the people that made these records to get the truth of where these artists were in their personal and professional lives when they made these groundbreaking albums.

The stories told on Life Of The Record come directly from the mouths of the folks who lived it. There are no talking heads or historical perspectives, just first person accounts of what really happened. Nordheim deftly weaves his excellent interview footage with song snippets to create a gorgeous aural history. For his part, Nordheim takes a behind the scenes approach. His voice only appears on the pod during the intro, allowing him to remove even his own persona from the finished product, letting the record and the artist stand on their own terms.

Life Of The Record’s impressive catalog now features more than 60 episodes that play like full length audio documentaries. During that run, Nordheim has helped to share the fascinating stories behind records from beloved acts like Tom Petty, A Tribe Called Quest, Bonnie Prince Billy, Richard & Linda Thompson, My Morning Jacket, The Jesus & Mary Chain, and many more. In cataloging these stories, Nordheim is preserving a wide swath of rock history in audio form. Every episode and interview offers a wealth of information, insight, and enlightenment about some of your favorite albums of all time.

So, come join me and Dan Nordheim for a dive into how some of the greatest LPs of all time were constructed, and some of the lessons that have been learned along the way.

Let’s get into it.

Cheers,

Matty C

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Thanks so much to Dan for joining me. You can find his podcast, Life Of The Record at https://lifeoftherecord.com/ or wherever you get your pods.

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

Our work is solely sponsored by listeners and readers like you. Please lend your support today with a paid subscription at whatamimaking.substack.com/. Now is a crucial time for new paid subscribers. Please step up and support the show. 

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Matt Caughthran is a true child of Los Angeles. Growing up on the city’s east side, Caughthran was immersed in the Latino culture that permeated his neighborhood. Within his working class confines, Matt learned to skate at an early age and quickly became fascinated with the world of hardcore and the power of rock and roll. By the time, Caughthran was in his early 20’s, he was already fronting the boisterous punk outfit, El Bronx.

After several years together, El Bronx hit a bit of a creative wall. During our chat, Matt shares the story of the how the music blaring from a nearby car wash gave Matt and his bandmates the courage to recontextualize their songwriting. Through that moment of sonic intervention, El Bronx began to shift, at least in part, into Maricahi El Bronx, a makeshift mariachi band with hardcore undertones.

Mariachi is a musical style steeped in history and tradition, so much so that very few new songs are added to the Mariachi canon. Caughthran and his bandmates had no idea that they were breaking long established rules. They wrote new songs, with English lyrics that still deeply evoke the themes and sounds of the style. Matt describes how the band became students of the artform, while remaining unafraid to play the music in their own way.

Caughthran and I dive deeply into the cultural heritage and longstanding traditions of Mariachi. Furthermore, we explore the place for a a gaggle of gringos to insert their ideas and opinions into the style. The Mariachi community has welcomed Mariachi El Bronx with open arms. The band have developed a close relationship with Jorge Tello, a master tailor famous for his bespoke Mariachi suits. Matt and I talk about the way the band have been welcomed into ths world, and how their journey has given the band the opportunity to help shepherd the history and culture of this historic music, and the wonderful people who make it.

Matt and I talk about making the new album from Mariachi El Bronx, 4, which is another gorgeous tile in the mosaic of mariachi. The record was made in the shadow of loss and grief as several tragedies befell the band while they were in the recording process, including the traumatic fires that raged across Los Angeles in January of 2025. There is also talk about the power and protest involved in playing a Mexican style of music during our current administration, and the ongoing war on people of Latino origin.

Cheers,Matty C

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Thanks so much to Matt for joining me. You can find his work in Mariachi El Bronx and El Bronx wherever you get your music. Remember to buy local or direct from the artist whenever possible.

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

Our work is solely sponsored by listeners and readers like you. Please lend your support today with a paid subscription at whatamimaking.substack.com/. Now is a crucial time for new paid subscribers. Please step up and support the show. 

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It almost seems that Shana Cleveland was destined to be a singer and a songwriter. Her parents first met when her Dad was playing in a western swing band. Even after their marriage and Shana’s birth, her parents both continued to play in a variety of bar bands and cover outfits. Growing up in Kalamazoo, Michigan, Cleveland had always dreamed of getting out. Her childhood had been happy and filled with music, but for some reason, another place was calling.

After high school, Shana settled in Chicago to study at Columbia College. Following two years in Columbia’s photography department, Shana changed her major, at least in part because of rising camera and darkroom costs. Upon completion of her Bachelor’s degree, Shana moved to the Valley near Los Angeles with an aunt and uncle. While her initial view of LA was not too rosy, the spot served as a stepping stone for her next move to Seattle where Cleveland started her first band, The Curious Mystery.

During our chat, Shana describes the shift from The Curious Mystery to her current outfit La Luz, a sunny, surfy quartet channeling some of the very best sounds in 21st century rock music. Shana describes how she wanted La Luz to be joyful and even accessible for everyone; a goal she has fulfilled in spades.

Openly discussing the myriad barriers that still exist within the music industry for women and artists of color, Cleveland wonders what sort of opportunities might be available were she not a woman of color.

Come join me for a conversation that covers the glories of nature, the realities of indie rock touring, creating the perfect recording environment, and writing songs in the sun.

Let’s get into it.

Cheers,Matty C---------------------

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Thanks so much to Shana for joining me. You can find her work in La Luz and as a solo artist wherever you get your music. Remember to buy local or direct from the artist whenever possible.

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

Our work is solely sponsored by listeners and readers like you. Please lend your support today with a paid subscription at whatamimaking.substack.com/. Now is a crucial time for new paid subscribers. Please step up and support the show. 

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You most likely know Jay Buchanan as the showstopping frontman for the boisterous rock outfit, Rival Sons, He has held that title for the better part of two decades. During that time, Buchanan and his band have built a huge worldwide following, and collaborated with some of the true luminaries within the spheres of Americana and rock music. In recent years, Jay has even dipped his toe into the acting world with a role in the 2025 biopic, Springsteen: Deliver Me From Nowhere. Still, after all of that, something seemed to be missing. 

So, without a plan, Jay Buchanan went to the desert to create deliberately. Unsure exactly what he was chasing creatively, Buchanan connected with an old friend to borrow a windowless bunker in the expanse of the Mojave Desert. It was in this isolated environment that Jay set to work writing a series of songs that would become his first solo album, Weapons Of Beauty. That record, which often presents a different musical and lyrical side to Buchanan’s work in Rival Sons, is an unfiltered ten song collection that beautifully captures Buchanan’s raw vocals and lived-in storytelling.

During our chat, Jay discusses his time in the desert, as well as the experimentation and faith that were required to complete Weapons Of Beauty. He even admits that as he boarded a plane to record the album, he had no idea whether or not his ideas and his songs would be good enough to pull him through. Day by day, and song by song, he built the record with producer and longtime collaborator, Dave Cobb, still never sure how successful the end results might be. 

This conversation also includes a fair amount of heady discussion and introspection. Jay shares his love of Transcendental Meditation and also declares that joy is a choice to be defended. We cover the limitations of living in the middle of what we’ve begun calling “The Technological Choke”, and we talk about running through life with a child's wonder. There is discussion of the joys and lessons of parenting, and the pursuit to maintain something of a tumbleweed lifestyle. 

This conversation actually happened in two parts. Jay and I had a chat for about thirty minutes when we were cut short by a family emergency. Thankfully, everything at home was all good, and Jay and I were able to reconnect a week or so later. As such, this chat is a bit longer than normal, but I assure you that it’s worth every second. Join me now for a broad and absorbing conversation about finding the magic that is there to be seen out there. 

Let’s get into it.

Cheers,Matty C

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Thanks so much to Jay for joining me. Be sure to grab his new solo record, Weapons Of Beauty now wherever you get your music. 

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

Our work is solely sponsored by listeners and readers like you. Please lend your support today with a paid subscription at whatamimaking.substack.com/. Now is a crucial time for new paid subscribers. Please step up and support the show. 

You can email the show anytime at [email protected]. You can also leave us a voicemail with your questions or concerns at speakpipe.com/whatamimaking

Will Hermes grew up at the epicenter of cool. Coming of age in Queens during the mid-to-late 1970’s, Will was faced with a binary choice; head east and go out further out on Long Island to find a life of quiet, comfort and suburban tranquility, or head west and venture into the intimidating wild of Manhattan. Without a second thought, Hermes opted for the gritty, mean streets of the city and found himself witness to the burgeoning scenes happening all throughout Manhattan and the other boroughs in the late 1970s and early 80s.

Will saw Television at the famed club, CBGB’s shortly after the band released their infamous debut album, Marquee Moon. Hermes also attended a ton of other shows within the vaunted NY punk and no-wave scenes as well as making forays into the city’s Latin music scene, early hip hop, jazz, and more.

Almost since he first fell in love with the New York music scene Will became entranced by writing about what he was hearing and seeing. His terrific tastes and his way with words have led to his work with vaunted outlets such as The New York Times, National Public Radio, Rolling Stone, The Guardian, Pitchfork, Uncut Magazine, and more. He has also published a pair of terrific books, Lou Reed: King of New York, and Love Goes To Buildings On Fire, a story of five years in the New York music scene of the 1970s.

During our roving discussion, Will and I explore his old New York haunts a bit while also focusing on the here and now of the musical world. Will shares his recent affection for Latin Pop which is having a real moment right now behind the momentum of Bad Bunny Super Bowl appearance, and singer Rosalia, who just sold out a series of shows at Madison Square Garden.

Will and I also delve into the place where we sit in our current cultural and musical ecosystem. We explore the value and role of the critic in an era when fans can hear anything they want to for no additional cost than a Spotify membership. There is talk of the influence of the algorithm and how it affects our relationships with criticism and with curation. And, we discuss the ways in which our criticism and conversations about music have changed, simply by shifting the way we listen to music.

There is also talk of focusing on the culture at the fringe and what that can tell us about what might be the next zeitgeist. Will and I discuss the oppressive nature of mass culture, and even explore the value and excitement of cultural curation in an age of endless information.

Here are a pair of music nerds talking about how much great music is still being made, how tough it can still be to find it, and why it all matters now more than ever.

Cheers,

Matty C

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Thanks so much to Will for joining me. Be sure to subscribe to his great Substack, New Music Is Old Music at https://newmusicoldmusic.substack.com/

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

Our work is solely sponsored by listeners and readers like you. Please lend your support today with a paid subscription at whatamimaking.substack.com/. Now is a crucial time for new paid subscribers. Please step up and support the show. 

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The legendary band, The Bats, and its bass player, Paul Kean could only have come from New Zealand.

Paul Kean grew up in a seemingly out of the way place, and was raised by truly extraordinary parents. Paul’s father was a born performer, and he could often be found at the piano leading the family and guests in song after dinner had finished. He was also an adept ventriloquist, often showing off a different side of his personality through the veil of the dummy. Paul’s mother had been an emigre from England who bravely came to New Zealand to begin anew after life in the UK had failed to fulfill its promise.

Paul shares his early remembrances of a childhood in New Zealand that feels both idyllic and palpably real. There are glimpses of his earliest memories of film and music, including a visit to the cinema to witness rock and roll come to life in the form of Bill Hailey and The Comets.

With a mother that Paul claims was always trying to climb the social ladder, the family moved from house to house with regularity. Paul believes this itinerant lifestyle helped to build his resilience and prepare him for life as a touring musician, even though the family’s fortunes did not always match with his mother’s ambitions.

The influence of the port in the Christchurch area where Paul grew up, had an enormous impact on the music, movies and even musical instruments that the locals could get their hands on. Taxes on instrument imports at the time were quite high and foreign sailors would often sell guitars, basses, and other gear to locals off the books to avoid the import tariffs.

During our chat, Paul shares his impressions of being in the same band for 40 years, and how he feels that The Bats have evolved both in their sound and in their approach to life as musicians. On March 6, the band will resume their biggest tour of New Zealand in decades.

This is a charming, and heartfelt conversation with a gentle soul who also happened to help shape one of the most important scenes in the history of indie rock.

Let’s get into it.

Cheers,Matty C-----------------------

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Thanks so much to Paul for joining me. You can find out all about his work in The Bats at https://thebats.co.nz/ 

The What Am I Making podcast is hosted, written, and produced by me, Matty C. 

Our theme music was written and recorded by David J. Baldwin

You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts. Please be sure to like, rate and review the show if you enjoy it. 

Our work is solely sponsored by listeners and readers like you. Please lend your support today with a paid subscription at whatamimaking.substack.com/. Now is a crucial time for new paid subscribers. Please step up and support the show.

You can email the show anytime at [email protected]. You can also leave us a voicemail with your questions or concerns at speakpipe.com/whatamimaking