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It's not uncommon for grandparents to stand in as parents ("in loco parentis") when mom or dad are away, at work, deployed, or even in jail. But when the parents divorce and parenting time is split up, what rights do grandparents have to see their grandkids and continue their relationship?

It's a heartbreaking situation for grandparents with close and ongoing relationships with the kids. In this episode of the Modern Divorce Podcast, host Billie Tarascio talks with divorce attorney Heather Pelaez about her work to establish grandparents rights in court, influenced largely by her background and family experience. It's not an easy process,  but it's possible with the right steps, which she explains.

Jump to [00:13:47] for the beginning of the discussion about grandparents, but listen to the whole thing to hear what drives Heather and why she loves to argue on behalf of people who need an advocate.