In the past few days, generative Artificial Intelligence systems like ChatGPT and Stability AI have caught great attention. In the first part of the podcast, we discuss to what extent these language models are actually new, and the potential societal transformations they can drive with Joanna Bryson, Professor of Ethics and Technology at The Hertie School of Governance. In the episode's second part, we focus on the societal risks and possible regulatory approaches with Daniel Leufer, a Senior Policy Analyst at Access Now.