Since the Supreme Court's affirmative action ruling, and especially since Donald Trump's anti-DEI campaign, many law firms have swiftly moved to alter or dismantle their programs promoting Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, or DEI.

So where does that leave people like Oyango Snell, a full-throated, unapologetic advocate of DEI in the legal industry?

Snell is a former law professor who now runs a legal operations professional group, and he joins our podcast, On The Merits, to talk about how the profession can still achieve diversity despite the DEI backlash, but why he thinks it will "get worse before it gets better."

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