Me: Cliff, Cliff, Cliff Cliff!

Cliff: What?

Me: Danger Zone!

Actually, more like Punt Safe - Make sure the Punter kicks it away. Whatever you do, don't push him in the back or you will end up like Johnny Hekker, turtleing. Cliff joins me, and it sounds like we recorded from our individual bunkers. Perhaps we did... Perhaps the quality isn't great. But you have to hear what he is doing, why he is doing it and most important: Does he hate Punters, or just people that hit people in the back?

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