On this episode of Safe Mode, Greg Otto sits with two CISA leaders, Chris Butera, Acting Executive Assistant Director for CISA’s Cybersecurity Division, and Bob Costello, CIO of CISA, at the 2025 Black Hat USA Conference to discuss numerous different topics: the recent Microsoft Sharepoint vulnerability, the upcoming CIRCIA rulemaking, the future of the JCDC, state and local cyber grants, and the emphasis they are placing to strengthening public-private partnerships.

In our reporter chat, Greg talks with Matt Kapko about what they both heard during their conversations at the Black Hat conference.