Zac Clark and ForceofPhil discuss the new Premiere format, which serves as an alternative to Legacy. They explore the design philosophy behind card legality, the impact of power creep, and the importance of community engagement in ensuring the success of new formats. The discussion also delves into specific cards that will not be legal in Premiere, evaluating their impact on gameplay and the overall balance of the game. In this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the evolving landscape of Magic: The Gathering, particularly focusing on the implications of new card exclusions in the Premier format. They explore various themes such as the potential resurgence of certain decks, the impact of specific mechanics like Delve and Cascade, and the overall power level and design philosophy of the game. The discussion also touches on the frustrations with 'gotcha' mechanics and the future viability of decks like Dredge without key cards. The hosts reflect on the importance of card design and the balance needed in competitive play, ultimately leading to a thoughtful examination of what the future holds for the game.