After three conversations on growth, it’s time to pause, step back, and reflect. In this fourth episode, Sasja Beslik, Carolina Sachs, and Joel Lindefors come together to summarize and unpack the different perspectives we’ve explored so far. We revisit our conversations with Sam Tidswell, who argued that technological innovation and capital can enable continued growth even on a finite planet; with Isadora Wronskij from Greenpeace International, who challenged the growth paradigm itself and called for sufficiency, wellbeing, and system-level change; and with Anders Wijkman, former co-chair of the Club of Rome, who pushed us to rethink economics, institutions, and the role of policy beyond both techno-optimism and simplistic degrowth.
What did we learn from placing these perspectives side by side? Where do they fundamentally disagree, and where do they unexpectedly overlap? What actually needs to grow, what needs to shrink, and what does a credible path forward look like in a world facing ecological limits, social fragmentation, and political headwinds?
This episode is less about definitive answers and more about sharpening the questions. If growth can no longer be treated as a neutral or self-evident goal, what replaces it? And how do we move from critique to action?
What is to be done?
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