Have you ever wondered what to say—or not say—to someone who’s grieving? How do you walk with someone through tragedy when there are no words that make it better?

In this 'Average Joe' conversation, Pastor Jim Ramos sits down with longtime friend and pastor Isaac Kerns, who opens up about losing his teenage son, Ethan, to cancer—and what it really means to “head into the storm” with faith, courage, and community. 

You’ll walk away with practical ways to support friends and family walking through grief and gain insight on what not to say when someone is hurting.

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