In which Ethan and Jo have a longer-than-usual conversation from the long-distant days of November about why Ethan thinks being a pastor is first and foremost a job and what it means to worship and tend to our spiritual selves. 

In which Ethan, Jo, and special guest Ian discuss Romans, blog posts, boundaries, and their favorite sweaty seminary professor, with a touch of anti-capitalism thrown in for spice. 

In which Ethan and Jo talk about running for office, what they would change about their churches (which they love!) if they could, and what keeps them hopeful in this season of doubt and distress in the United Methodist Church. 

In which Jo and Ethan talk about paperwork and translating their thoughts into the language that Boomers understand, with a guest appearance by Ethel at the end. 

A special mini-sode in which Ethan and Jo dig into the incarnation, biblical interpretation, David Bentley Hart, and how the internet impacts our ministry. 

If you've ever wondered what it would be like to grab a drink with our hosts, this conversation is almost nearly it. Ethan and Jo get a running start by talking about how we interact with our siblings in Christ in different international contexts, which somehow morphs into a discussion about movies and postmodernism, and we promise, we cut out a solid 30 minutes of pastoral phone calls and surprise visits and theological asides to meet the time limit. 

After an extended season of dealing with conflict in their individual churches, Jo and Ethan get together to talk about the types of conflict they struggle with, their experience as younger people dealing with older churches in conflict, how they manage conflict, and what keeps them in the faith with all these frustrations swirling around them. 

In which Ethan and Jo talk about paid time off, taking care of ourselves while dealing with heavy emotions, why theology matters, and why if you're an older Methodist, you're probably a Boston Personalist without evening knowing it. 

In which Ethan and Jo have a long wide-ranging conversation that covers pastoral health, district gatherings and paperwork, hospital visits, google maps, library cards, trinitarian ontology, and many hypotheses about why we struggle so hard with evangelicalism, among other things. There are jokes in it too, we promise. 

In this episode, Ethan and Jo discuss flirting with universal salvation, God's justice, and why hell is maybeprobablykinda a thing. You know, the things you expect pastors to talk about.