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  • EP 402: How do you crack the code on goal-setting?

    What is a goal really? What purpose does a goal really serve? And is that purpose truly benefiting us, the goal-setters?

    These are big, messy questions. But they are far from abstract. Our answers to these questions—whether we know it or not—shape the way we work and live on a daily basis. This intermediary space—the space between philosophical questions and practical implications—is a place I happily hang out in all day long. Luckily, I know someone who likes hanging out in that place as much as I do!

    His name is Charlie Gilkey. He’s a friend of the pod—as well as the co-founder of Productive Flourishing and author of Start Finishing. He’s also the host of the Productive Flourishing podcast.

    Today’s episode is a rebroadcast from the Productive Flourishing feed. Charlie and I talk about why in the world I wrote a productivity book, how the cultural code we operate in impacts the way we plan and set goals, how that code disproportionately harms some more than others, and much, much more.

    Footnotes:

    • What Works: A Comprehensive Framework to Change the Way We Approach Goal-Setting by Tara McMullin
    • More about Charlie Gilkey
    • Start Finishing by Charlie Gilkey
    • Listen to Productive Flourishing
    • Broken (in the Best Possible Way) by Jenny Lawson
    • Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny by Kate Manne

      Written versions of each episode drop on Thursdays at explorewhatworks.com. Get them deliverable to your inbox by subscribing at explorewhatworks.com/weekly.

      Introducing Recovering Overachiever Club

      Recovering Overachiever Club is a 3-week deep dive into why we strive and what we can do differently in the new year. Join us November 29-December 20 for exclusive essays, podcast episodes, and conversation—oh, and earn a few merit badges, too. Learn more!

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      1 hr 3 min
    • EP 401: Do we really all have the same 24 hours?

      Do we really have the same 24 hours as Beyoncé? Yes. And no. And… it’s complicated.

      There is a never-ending stream of advice about how to make the most of your time. And honestly? Most of it is just bullsh*t. That’s because there is no way to hack yourself or your work to produce more in less time if your emotions are fried, your energy is drained, or you’re dealing with the effects chronic illness.

      This conversation—originally broadcast as a Spotify Live—is an unflinching look at what it means to consider our multidimensional capacity in the realms of work and life. You’ll hear from my friends Jenny Blake, author of Free Time, and Charlie Gilkey, author of Start Finishing—and me, too!

      Note: the audio quality on this episode is totally listenable—but it’s not our normal podcast quality.

      Footnotes:

      • Get What Works: A Comprehensive Framework to Change the Way We Approach Goal-Setting by Tara McMullin
      • Find out more about Jenny Blake
      • Buy Free Time by Jenny Blake
      • Find out more about Charlie Gilkey
      • Buy Start Finishing by Charlie Gilkey

        Written versions of our podcast episodes land on Thursdays at explorewhatworks.com. Get them delivered straight to your inbox by subscribing at explorewhatworks.com/weekly

        Introducing Recovering Overachiever Club

        Recovering Overachiever Club is a 3-week deep dive into why we strive and what we can do differently in the new year. Join us November 29-December 20 for exclusive essays, podcast episodes, and conversation—oh, and earn a few merit badges, too. Learn more!

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        1 hr 3 min
      • EP 400: The Power of Practice

        It’s been almost exactly 7 years since this podcast first launched as Profit. Power. Pursuit. Since then, we’ve produced 400 regular episodes (with some bonuses here and there). You know, I’ve written many more than 400 blog posts and emails. But we don’t number those—plus, they are published across different sites on the web, so I never have a handled on just how many times I’ve hit “publish.”

        400 episodes is a lot. It’s more than the vast majority of podcasters will ever make. The only reason I bring that up is because today’s episode is about the power of practice. Developing a podcasting practice is the only way to consistently put out a strong episode week after week. But developing a practice of any kind was not something I knew how to do 7 years ago.

        This episode dives into what I’ve learned about practice from 7 years of podcasting. Plus, I share an excerpt from my book (out today!) about the satisfaction of practice in an achievement-oriented world.

        Footnotes:

        • Join Tara TODAY for a live reading and Q&A about the book
        • Buy What Works: A Comprehensive Framework to Change the Way We Approach Goal-Setting wherever you buy books!
        • Listen to Tara’s interviews about the book on this Spotify playlist
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          28 min
        • EP 399: Self Help, LLC: The Politics of Hustle Culture with Jadah Sellner

          Hustle. Grind. Boss up. Do more. Love them or hate them, these words are embedded into the ways we think about work and entrepreneurship. But as we’ve seen with the enormous growth of the r/anti-work subreddit and the panic about quiet quitting, more people than ever are thinking about different ways to go about building their lives, careers, and businesses.

          As we close out the Self-Help, LLC series, I wanted to address where our productivity hang-ups come from, who our productivity really benefits, and how we might go about doing things differently. This episode is in 2 parts. The first half or so is an introduction to how employers (including self-employers) profit from unpaid work and why the productivity-wage gap has become so immense. The second half of the episode is my conversation with Jadah Sellner, about the vision for business she lays out in her new book, She Builds.

          Footnotes:

          • Find out more about Jadah Sellner and her new book, She Builds.
          • “TikTok ‘5-to-9’ Trend Shows Quiet Quitting Hasn’t Killed Hustle Culture” on Bloomberg
          • Dolly Parton rewrites her working woman’s anthem for SquareSpace
          • THE ULTIMATE MORNING ROUTINE (parody)
          • Revolution at Point Zero, essays by Silvia Federici
          • Data on the productivity-wage gap (Economic Policy Institute)
          • Self-Help, INC by Micki McGee
          • Debt: The First 5,000 Years by David Graeber

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            53 min
          • EP 398: Self Help, LLC: Good Bodies With India Jackson, Tiffany Ima, and Jessica DeFino

            I wanted to include an episode on bodies in the Self-Help, LLC series because so much of our modern discourse around productivity, empowerment, entrepreneurship, and personal growth includes messages about our bodies. These messages might not be explicit, but the messages are there—and our brains pick them up loud and clear.

            Similarly, we might not realize that we’re sharing messages that insert themselves into how others perceive their own bodies—but many of us are. It’s impossible to talk about self-discipline, accountability, or efficiency without those concepts leaving their marks on our flesh.

            This episode covers a tiny sliver of all the ways that the medium of self-help acts on our bodies. But my hope is that it will encourage you to think critically about the messages you receive about your body and the messages you share that might impact others’ bodies.

            You’ll hear from independent beauty culture journalist Jessica DeFino, body confidence influencer Tiffany Ima, and Flaunt Your Fire founder India Jackson.

            This episode contains frank talk about bodies, weight, beauty, dieting, and related topics. I know that these subjects can trigger harmful thoughts and behaviors for me if I’m not careful. So please, take care while listening to this episode.

            Footnotes:

            • Subscribe to Jessica DeFino’s newsletter about beauty culture and the beauty industry.
            • Follow Tiffany Ima on Instagram.
            • Listen to the Flaunt Your Fire podcast and learn more about India Jackson.
            • Erica Courdae on reconsidering your normal, as well as “Normal is a Life with Michelle Kuei” on the Pause on the Play podcast.
            • “Body acceptance stops at the skin. Why?” by Jessica DeFino
            • “The Skin as an Antidote to Consumerism” by Jessica DeFino
            • “How White Supremacy and Capitalism Influence Beauty Culture” by Jessica DeFino in TeenVogue
            • What We Don’t Talk About When We Talk About Fat by Aubrey Gordon
            • “Postscript on Societies of Control” by Gilles Deleuze
            • Self-Help, INC by Micki McGee
            • “Rachel Hollis Part 1: Hashtag Relatable” on Maintenance Phase
            • “The Trouble with Calories” on Maintenance Phase
            • “Bodybuilding vs Powerlifting vs Weightlifting” on Shape
            • Confidence Culture by Shani Orgad and Rosalind Gill
            • Let’s Get Physical: How Women Discovered Exercise and Reshaped the World by Danielle Friedman
            • 3 Books for Remembering “You Have a Body”: On disability, on chronic illness, and on our bodies in society
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              55 min
            • EP 397: Self Help, LLC: Bad Usage With Samara Bay

              We form an impression of our voices early in life. While it might shift some as we age, those impressions tend to stick with us. For many of us, what we learn about our voices is how their don’t quite measure up to the ideal: too high, too low, too soft, too loud, too this, too that. This is especially true for women, queer people, transgender people, non-native English speakers, Black people, people of color, indigenous people, and really anyone whose voice doesn’t fit into the white, male baritone mold.

              So what do we do? We try to sound more like everyone else. And that can not only mess with our ability to use our physical voices, but it messes with our ability to use our metaphorical voices and confuses our sense of self.

              Samara Bay, a Hollywood dialect coach who’s worked on blockbusters like Wonder Woman and Guardians of the Galaxy, is on a mission to help everyone find “permission to speak.” In this episode, we dig into how the self-help imperative to “own your voice” might be more complicated than it sounds.

              Footnotes:

              • Find out more about Samara Bay
              • Pre-order Samara’s book Permission to Speak
              • “I still have a voice” by Alice Wong
              • Samara Bay on Anna Sorokin and Elizabeth Holmes’s voices
              • Women and Power by Mary Beard
              • More about African American Vernacular English on Pause on the Play
              • College students talk about their relationships to their Southern accents on Dolly Parton’s America
              • “The Magic of Voice Transitioning with Nicole Gress” on Camp Wild Heart with Mackenzie Dunham
              • “Me minus me” on This American Life (Sandy Allen’s vocal transition)
              • “If you don’t have anything nice to say” on This American Life (complaints about female voices)
              • More on the mid-atlantic accent
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                42 min
              • EP 396: Self Help, LLC: #MakingMemories with Sara Petersen

                There’s an influencer for every thing these days. Camping equipment? Sure. Nutritional supplements? You bet. Miniatures? You know it. College admissions? But of course. In this episode, though, we’re going to focus on one of the original influencer niches: MOMS.

                The rise of the influencer ushered in a new outlet for self-help. Now, not only are there motivational books and talks, there’s a product endorsement to help you live your best life. Influencers give us, perhaps, the direct line between personal growth and consumer capitalism. I talk with the author of the forthcoming Momfluenced, Sara Petersen, about all of that and more.

                Footnotes:

                • Subscribe to Sara Petersen’s newsletter
                • Pre-order Momfluenced
                • “Life After Lifestyle” by Toby Shorin
                • “The Rhetoric of the Image” by Roland Barthes
                • The Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord
                • Episode 393 with Kelly Diels
                • Episode 395 with Steph Barron Hall
                • “The Influencer Industry: Constructing and Commodifying Authenticity on Social Media” by Emily Dean Hund
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                  37 min
                • EP 395: Self Help, LLC: Instagram, the Algorithm, and Personality Types with Steph Barron Hall from Nine Types Co

                  If your Instagram feed or Explore page looks anything like mine, then you likely see a preponderance of posts about personality types, conditions, or other self-knowledge. We’re hooked on learning about ourselves! And perhaps even more hooked on sharing what we’ve learned—which means that the Instagram algorithm (as well as TikTok’s and Pinterest’s algorithms) has learned to love this kind of content, too.

                  In this episode, I explore discovering ourselves versus making ourselves, why self-knowledge is big business on Instagram, and how creating viral personality content can wreak havoc on the creator’s psyche. To dig into this with me, I invited @ninetypesco creator, Steph Barron Hall, onto the show.

                  Footnotes:

                  • Find Steph Barron Hall on Instagram (@ninetypesco)
                  • Learn more about working with Steph
                  • How to be Authentic by Skye Cleary
                  • Learn more about the Enneagram and find your type
                  • The Nine Types of Rest
                  • Self-Help, INC by Micki McGee
                  • “Double consciousness”
                  • “Looking glass self”
                  • Essay versions of each episode are posted at explorewhatworks.com every Thursday. Or, sign up FREE at explorewhatworks.com/weekly to get them delivered straight to your inbox.

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                    32 min
                  • EP 394: Self Help, LLC: The Paradox of Self-Help Expertise with Patrick Sheehan

                    Our quest for self-improvement requires us to decide who (or what) to trust with our time, energy, and money. What book do you decide to read next? Which coach do you hire? What accounts do you follow? Our consumer choices seem endless—so finding someone or something to put your trust in might feel like an Olympic feat.

                    On the flip side, as business owners or independent workers whether explicitly or implicitly in the business of self-help, our goal is to cultivate trust. Why would someone trust us with their business, their marriage, or their hopes and dreams for the future?

                    In this episode, I sit down with sociologist Patrick Sheehan to talk about his study of career coaches and the role they play with job seekers. We examine the roles that both credentialed and experience-based experts play in society and why uncertainty and instability might inspire us—for better or worse—to put our trust in prophets rather than priests.

                    Footnotes:

                    • Edelman Trust Barometer 2022
                    • “Confidence in US Institutions Down; Average at New Low” Gallup
                    • “Fatigue, traditionalism, and engagement: the news habits and attitudes of the Gen Z and Millennial generations” American Press Institute
                    • “We’ve stopped trusting institutions and started trusting strangers” by Rachel Botsman (TED Talk)
                    • “The Change Rules of Trust in the Digital Age” by Rachel Botsman (HBR)
                    • “Where did all the coaches come from?” by Patrick Sheehan (Work In Progress Sociology)
                    • “The new economy as multi-level marketing scheme: career coaches and unemployment in the age of uncertainty” by Patrick Sheehan (Work in Progress Sociology)
                    • “Gun Culture and Wellness Culture Come From the Same Place” by Alan Levinovitz (Huffington Post)
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                      31 min
                    • EP 393: Self Help, LLC: Selling Empowerment with Kelly Diels

                      It’s not only self-help or entrepreneurship products that are sold as tools for “empowerment” today. It’s just about everything: makeup, clothing, workout equipment, vitamins, office supplies… Whole brands are built around the promise that a purchase won’t just solve your problem, it’ll make you a better, more fulfilled person. But empowerment isn’t for sale—only the status quo.

                      In this episode, I talk with writer and coach Kelly Diels about empowerment marketing and what she calls the “female lifestyle empowerment brand.” You’ll also hear from independent beauty writer Jessica DeFino about how empowerment is leveraged by the beauty industry.

                      Footnotes:

                      • Learn more about Kelly Diels
                      • Learn more about Jessica DeFino
                      • Trick Mirror by Jia Tolentino
                      • Thick by Tressie McMillan Cottom
                      • How to be Authentic: Simone de Beauvoir and the Quest for Fulfillment by Skye Cleary
                      • Helen Gurley Brown as quoted in Self-Help, INC by Micki McGee
                      • “The Rhetoric of the Image” by Roland Barthes
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                        36 min

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                      It's easy to lose your way in the 21st-century economy. The world of work and business is changing so rapidly that you might start focusing more on how to keep up than how to live a meaningful life.…