On this episode I sat down with my dude Matt Holl from Wren & Cuff to chat about... Well... Big Muffs of course! But we didn't stop there!

We dove deep down the rabbit hole of all things music. Including the somewhat controversial subject of paying for expertise. Whether that be a professional Mastering Engineer, an experienced Producer, or investing your money in an obsessively developed product. I think you are going to enjoy this chat!

Check out Matt's work at https://www.wrenandcuff.com/

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