Italian duo Bruno Dorella and Stefania Pedretti have been making avant-garde electro-rock music together as OvO for twenty five years. The electro-industrial Gemma is the pair’s latest album (out now on Artoffact Records).

Bruno and Stefania join me to discuss the record, magic, ritual, growing up in Italy, their time living and performing in squats and their thoughts on the digital age in music.

Closing track: “Opale” feat. Lord Spokeheart (Artoffact Records, 2025)

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Dark, instrumental, jazz-rock duo Mellowdeath are Sara Neidorf and Isabel Merten.

Sara and Isabel join me to discuss their debut, self-titled album (out now on Cruel Nature Records), the origins of the band, the visuals and artwork, playing live, the realities of touring and their plans for 2026.

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In 1979 singer Jeff Buck­land, rhythm guitarist Bill Dickson, bassist John Hannah, lead guitarist Tom Milmore, and drummer Jerid O’Connell entered a recording studio for a session overseen by Ed Stasium (producer and engineer for bands like Talking Heads and Motörhead) and recorded a great set of rock n’ roll songs. Surely fame and fortune was right around the corner?

Except that recording session never saw the light of day, until a few weeks ago when 1979 Sire Session was finally released to the public thanks to Left For Dead Records.

So what happened in the time between? What became of Rousers and the various members? Why did this recording remain unheard for all these years?

These questions I explore with guitarist and songwriter Bill Dickson as we discuss the Rousers story, his own musical journey and how 1979 Sire Session finally gets an opportunity to reach the audience it always deserved to have.

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Having been a member of iconic post-punk and industrial bands like PiL, Killing Joke and Pigface, while also playing for NIN and Ministry (just to mention a few notable names), it wouldn’t be hyperbole to call Martin Atkins a living legend of underground music... so let’s do that.

This November 28th and 29th will see Reggies, Chicago host ‘Martin Atkins Presents: Killing Joke’s Extremities’ where the drummer and a stellar cast from the musical underground (including Randy Blythe, Justin Pearson and Mark Gemini Thwaite) will perform ‘Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions’, the album Atkins made while a member of the band and one of Killing Joke’s most brutal and eviscerating albums.

Some weeks ago I interviewed Atkins via email for ⁠New Noise Magazine⁠ to get his insights on the event and his time in Killing Joke.

This episode of Whatever Comes Next is my second opportunity to talk with Atkins and the first in real time. And oh, what a music nerd’s delight it was.

Having opened The Museum of Post Punk & Industrial Music in 2021 and being no stranger to guided tours and speaking events, Atkins is a treasure trove of stories and insights.

Given such an opportunity to chat with the man you just have to decide which roads you want to go down. Our conversation took in the forthcoming event, what it’s like managing bands, early years working with Trent Reznor, the story of Andy Rourke of The Smiths’ brief time in Killing Joke, working with Steve Albini, as well as some fascinating insights from Atkins regarding touring and the music business.

Thank you to Justin Pearson and Rebecca Mendenhall for making this interview possible.

Closing track: “Point Blank” Pigface (Invisible 1990 / Cleopatra 2023)

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I’ve been an avid follower of all things Veilburner ever since I first became aware of the extreme-metal duo around the time of their 2019 release A Sire to the Ghouls of Lunacy.

That was album number four and now as Mephisto Deleterio and Chrisom Infernium (or Dave and Chris as they are without the masks) join me for the second time on Whatever Comes Next (the first time being episode 42) we are just a few days away from the release of their eighth album, Longing for Triumph, Reeking of Tragedy (out this Friday on Transcending Obscurity Records).

Join us as Dave and Chris reveal details of the making of the record, Dave’s guitar approach, Chris’ lyrics and album concepts, the duo’s costumes and masks, their album art (courtesy of Luciana Nedelea) and plenty more besides (with an even more extensive version of our conversation on Patreon).

Closing track: “Matter o’ the Most Awful of Martyrs” (Transcending Obscurity Records, 2025)

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Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman

Ailise Blake makes music that’s hard to categorise, but grabbed me from the moment I put on her latest record Soave (out this Friday on These Hands Melt).

Interconnected with her practices in ceremonial magick, Soave is a highly evocative and atmospheric record, built around voice and guitar, but filled with a range of other instrumentation, to dark, dreamy and beguiling effect.

Ali and I discuss the unique circumstances and setting that the album was created in, magick, inspiration, touring and the importance of the visual side of art.

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Closing track: “CONSECRATION” (These Hands Melt, 2025)

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THE MON is the solo project of Urlo—bassist, vocalist and synth player of heavy psychedelic rock band Ufomammut, as well as being a core part of Supernatural Cat and Malleus.

Songs of Abandon (out on the 7th of November on Supernatural Cat and the first in a two part concept to be followed by Songs of Embrace in 2026) is the latest record from THE MON and one with an unusual story—as well as being uniquely acoustic-guitar driven compared to Urlo’s other releases (both as THE MON and with Ufomammut).

Urlo and I discuss the background of the album, the writing, recording and the production. We talk about some of the album’s inspirations like Black Sabbath and Syd Barrett and we consider what makes music heavy and the ineffable qualities of Nirvana, Kyuss and Led Zeppelin.

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Closing track: “Mayhem” (Supernatural Cat, 2025)

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Since forming the band in the early 90s guitarist Chris Pervelis has remained consistent in his vision for the hard-hitting death metal unit Internal Bleeding.

Through the years the band have had creative highs, numerous line-up changes, and survived tragedy and shady business dealings.

Out of all of this comes the band’s latest record Settle All Scores (out now on Maggot Stomp) with Internal Bleeding sounding as fresh, fired-up and visceral as ever.

Chris joins me to discuss the record, his musical origins, some of the band’s history and stories and share his insights from decades working in and out of the music business.

Closing track: Empire of Terror (Featuring Joe Marchese)

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Five years ago life-long music devotee Clément Duboscq decided to take some of his experience as a music writer and musician and start his own micro-agency Vous Connaissez ? PR, representing bands and artists in France and further afield.

Not so long after Clément’s move into music PR, he and I worked together on the Non Serviam/ Gobscrew collaboration Biollante and their album ⁠J’Espère Que Tu Danseras Quelque Part ⁠

Clément continues to represent a range of artists across the musical underground, (including a number of previous collaborations with ⁠Pelagic Records⁠), several of which have guested on this podcast—most recently ⁠ii [Two Eyes]⁠.

Together we discuss Clément’s musical roots, the history of Vous Connaissez ? PR and various insights from the world of music PR.

Closing track: “Among The Mourners” from ⁠Life Is by LOONS⁠ (released November 28 on Howlin Banana/Head Records/Les Disques du Paradis)

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Gridfailure is Dave Brenner, but just as it’s hard to put a simple genre tag on this music that combines noise, jazz, folk and numerous other elements, the creative inputs that feed one Gridfailure release or another can be manifold.

On the project’s latest release Sixth Mass-Extinction Skulduggery III (out now on Nefarious Industries) Brenner brings in a host of collaborators, including Today Is The Day’s Steve Austin, Leila Abdul-Rauf, Mac Gollehon, Greg Meisenberg and many others.

Dave and I discuss the album in detail, the origins of Gridfailure and why the record and Today Is The Day’s new record Never Give In are so closely linked.

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