"Shame dies when stories are told in safe spaces." 

In this episode, Ashley interviews Mark on what it was like growing up and how his perspective changed from “I don’t see color” to “it’s impossible not to see color”.

The evolution of thought is often littered with false narratives and a whole lot of bias.  Breaking through the friction that is meant to hold us back require intentionality, empathy, and a willingness to change. 

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