In this episode, Josh interviews Mrs. Annette Kirk about the late Dr. Russell Kirk and the way his years debating in high school and college prepared him for his career in the public square. Dr. Kirk was the founder of the intellectual conservatism movement with the publication of his Conservative Mind, and he spent his career advocating for the "permanent things" in the face of the endless "whirl" of modernity. He advised presidents, debated radicals, and maintained a ceaseless pace of publication. Mrs. Kirk tells us about Dr. Kirk, including his shyness as a teenager, and their romance during the late 1960s! Check it out, and let us know what you think at [email protected]!