When It Clicked

What would it look like if our justice system could identify when we get things wrong – and actually fix those mistakes? WNBA legend Maya Moore stepped away from basketball at the peak of her career to help free Jonathan Irons, who spent over 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. Now married, their story reveals what's possible when we stay connected across prison walls, fight to make the system more accountable, and refuse to accept injustice. 

To learn more, visit Maya and Jonathan’s nonprofit at winwithjustice.org, and be sure to check out their documentary, Breakaway. 

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How can new technologies help prisons improve outcomes for people and communities? Outdated systems mean incarcerated people often lack a clear pathway to release – and might even overstay their prison sentence simply because of disorganized data. Clementine Jacoby, CEO and cofounder of Recidiviz, is tackling this problem by working with corrections departments across the country to modernize their data systems and introduce AI solutions. By enabling prisons to do their jobs more efficiently and effectively, Recidiviz has helped 156,000 incarcerated people safely return home and saved states more than 1.3 billion dollars. 

To learn more about the work happening at Recidiviz, visit recidiviz.org.

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How can we think differently about accountability for kids in the justice system? Hollywood producer Scott Budnick built his career making blockbuster hits like The Hangover, but his real passion is working with incarcerated youth. In this episode, Scott talks about how one visit to a juvenile hall reshaped his purpose and set him on a mission to support young people caught in the justice system. As founder of the Anti-Recidivism Coalition and CEO of 1Community, Scott is helping youth rewrite their stories – and pushing for a system that gives them a real chance.

Learn more about the Anti Recidivism Coalition at antirecidivism.org and 1Community at 1community.com.

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What if the key to safer cities isn’t harsher punishments, but more peacebuilding? Aqeela Sherrills helped broker the 1992 peace treaty between the Bloods and Crips – an agreement that cut LA homicides nearly in half. Since then, he’s been using that same approach to transform neighborhoods across America as co-founder of the Community-Based Public Safety Collective, where he trains everyday people in conflict resolution and deescalation strategies alongside local law enforcement. After decades pioneering this work, Aqeela brings us a better way for communities to reclaim safety, restore trust, and heal from within.

Watch Aqeela Sherrills’ Ted Talk, “The grassroots movement transforming public safety" and learn about Community-Based Public Safety Collective at cbpscollective.org and Scaling Safety at scalesafety.org.

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How can we transform prisons so they can actually transform people? That question is at the heart of Deputy Director Josh Smith's work at the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the very system that once incarcerated him. After serving five years in federal prison, he's dedicated his life to improving public safety through prison reform, and now he's the first formerly incarcerated person to help lead the Bureau of Prisons. Deputy Smith knows just how important it is to plan for reentry from day one, which is why he’s helping create a better environment for the people inside so they can actually do the hard work of rehabilitation.

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The American justice system punishes millions of people every year. That’s what we expect it to do – punish wrongdoing. That’s what we call justice. But what if it could do something more, something that would make this country better, stronger, and safer? In Season 2 of When It Clicked, host Ana Zamora sits down with a surprising mix of leaders and experts who are showing what a better, more productive justice system actually looks and feels like – from how to handle kids who commit crimes, to how new technology can change outcomes in prison. This season, you’ll see how making key changes to how we do justice in America actually benefits all of us.

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What happens when an award-winning actress, producer, director, author, and activist uses her platform to shine a light on the criminal justice system? Kerry Washington's recent projects, UnPrisoned and Daughters, tell stories of incarceration, family separation, unification, and love that we rarely get to see. In our conversation, she explains how portraying a daughter navigating her father's return from prison transformed her understanding of reentry and gets personal about how the system has impacted her own family.

You can check out Unprisoned on Hulu and stream Daughters on Netflix.

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What does it mean to be smart on crime? Jeanne Woodford, former warden at San Quentin State prison, has been a longtime advocate for rehabilitation. In our conversation, she offers a new vision of what prisons could look like, from removing prison cells to providing opportunities for incarcerated people to garden, take college courses, and even play chess with correctional officers. 

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What happens when we give someone a second chance? For Glenn Dahl, it led to Dave's Killer Bread, a family business success story that not only revolutionized bread, but also changed how companies think about second chance hiring. Glenn, the former CEO, opens up about taking a chance on his brother Dave after his release from prison, and continuing to take a groundbreaking approach to hiring people with criminal records.

To learn more about second chance hiring, you can check out The Responsible Business Initiative for Justice at rbij.org, as well as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s website for resources on the benefits ​​of hiring formerly incarcerated individuals and an employer guide to tax credits and programs. 

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What happens when the criminal justice system invests in education instead of punishment? Larry Miller is the Chairman of the Jordan Brand Advisory Board and played a pivotal role in the brand’s growth. Yet behind his success was a secret – at age 16, he was convicted of second degree murder, which he shares in his book, “Jump: My Secret Journey from the Streets to the Boardroom.” For Larry, it was education in prison that changed his life's trajectory, giving him the chance to earn a college degree, build a successful career, and challenge assumptions about what formerly incarcerated people can achieve.  

To learn more about Larry's story, check out his book, Jump: My Secret Journey from the Streets to the Boardroom

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