There’s a season in leadership—and in following God—when obedience feels unrewarded, unnoticed, and even pointless. In this episode of Conversations, I talk about why those seasons often matter more than the ones that feel productive or affirmed.

We explore how God measures obedience by faithfulness rather than outcomes, why hidden obedience reveals what’s really shaping us, and how seasons that feel quiet or stalled are often seasons of deep formation. This isn’t about pushing harder or proving yourself—it’s about trusting God’s process when progress isn’t obvious.

If you’re a leader, pastor, entrepreneur, or simply walking through a season where doing the right thing feels costly, this conversation will encourage you to stay faithful, remain grounded, and trust that God is at work even when the reward hasn’t shown up yet.

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