By the 1990s, Patrick MacLeamy had seen enough.

Projects were slipping. RFIs were exploding. Clients were frustrated. And as Virtual Design and Construction (VDC) entered the industry, it exposed a hard truth: the problem wasn’t talent, it was the system.

In Part 2 of this conversation, Patrick MacLeamy explains why he refused to accept “that’s construction” as an answer—and how one uncomfortable question led him into a small, unlikely collaboration that helped lay the foundation for modern project delivery.

This episode traces the origin of:

* Open standards and object-based coordination

* The early thinking behind BIM and interoperability

* A leadership mindset focused on fixing systems, not blaming people

But this isn’t history for history’s sake.

Thirty years later, the same forces, complexity, fragmentation, and outdated assumptions, are pressing on our industry again. This episode is for anyone working in architecture, construction, or workplace strategy who feels we’re stuck and wonders what it takes to change course.

If you’ve ever looked at the way we work and thought, this isn’t good enough, this conversation is for you.

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