On today’s episode of the Finding Something REAL Podcast, Janell speaks with Chris Desgroseillier, a pastor in Washington state. He and Janell speak about how was raised with religion but lacking a real relationship, how one friend's persistence became a major part of his story, and how he became involved in ministry.  They also speak about the biggest struggles for him as a pastor during the COVID pandemic and how he encourages others and himself during this time). They also touch on how God uses times of suffering, wrestling with God, and God's definition of love.