In this episode, retired police officer and political candidate Lisa Boeving-Learned talks about the history of racism in policing, how we can help police officers be better, and how to bring humanity back into the dignified work of policing. As a retired officer, Lisa has great compassion for police officers, but she also has insight into how systemic racism infiltrates the profession, and how tolerance of the bad apples feeds the racist system -- which endangers lives both black and blue. Lisa supports Black Lives Matter because she recognizes that there is a serious problem. She's also got some serious solutions. This is one of the most important episodes yet. 

Plus, Aisha and I talk about little Anglo Saxons and the land of Caucasia in our typical irreverent way.

In this episode of White on White, Kerry speaks with Carla Ewert about whiteness, hierarchies, and how white people -- white women specifically -- can work to de-center whiteness, so that whiteness is no longer the "normal" against which everything else is measured. Plus, more irreverence from Kerry and Aisha.

In our first episode, Kerry speaks with Carolyn Helsel, author of Anxious

to Talk About It: Helping White Christians Talk Faithfully About Racism. 

Plus, meet co-host Aisha and listen in as she and Kerry talk about The Race

Card, token black friends, and all the uncomfortable things.