A good discussion today covering two different articles, the first covers CISA's list of product security "bad practices", questioning whether it provides real value or is just content marketing. Then the discussion moves onto an article about Shift Left. The group debates whether it is truly more expensive to fix design flaws versus implementation bugs, noting the difficulty of quantifying the cost difference. They argue that the focus should be on providing proper training and incentives for developers to build secure software, rather than just adding more security tools. 

Articles discussed in the episode:

Product Security Bad Practices

Shift Left Pushback Triggers Security Soul Searching

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