Sherry Fang never signed up to be an influencer. She says anyone with a message to get across is one now, and trust keeps getting more expensive.

Sherry hosts Soft Power Project and spent years training executives to communicate. She and Mike get into why you cannot change anyone through persuasion, what she gave up when she left a two-million-download podcast to start over from zero, and the hardest thing about getting an honest answer out of anyone.

Connect with Sherry: https://www.instagram.com/soft_power_project/

Connect with Mike: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pimsmikeryan/