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What happens when your “software startup” accidentally turns into an agency, and that mistake becomes the fuel for your next breakout company? In this episode, I sit down with Reza, founder of Motion, to unpack one of the most honest startup journeys you’ll hear: pivots under pressure, brutal clarity moments, and the insight that reshaped modern growth marketing.

We talk about how Shoelace went from a struggling SaaS product to a profitable agency almost overnight, why admitting reality saved the company, and how that experience directly led to Motion, a creative analytics platform built for the new era of advertising, where creative (not targeting) is the ultimate growth lever. Reza explains why the future belongs to creative strategists, leaders who combine left-brain data rigor with right-brain creativity, and why founders must solve the most urgent problems, not the safest ones.

We also dive deep into AI-native leadership: how Reza uses AI to prototype ideas, scale the CEO role, rebuild a product from the core, and make bold decisions without hedging. If you’re a founder navigating disruption, creative vs. data tension, or the pressure to reinvent your company before the market forces you to, this episode is for you.

Reza Khadjavi

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