Someone inside Marcia Geldert-Murphy, P.E.'s own political party told her to stop mentioning she was a civil engineer and that it had nothing to do with legislating. She stopped cold in her tracks. 

In this episode, the former ASCE president and Illinois Senate candidate joins Michele to talk about why that moment perfectly illustrates the problem: the people who understand how infrastructure actually gets built aren't in the room when the money gets decided. 

They cover the gap between input and output that lawmakers don't see, why we stopped thinking like an engineering-minded country, and what it's going to take to fix it before the next generation inherits a system that was already past its service life when we inherited it.