Zac and Phil discuss the current state of Force of Will in the Legacy format of Magic: The Gathering, arguing that it may be at its weakest point due to the prevalence of combo decks. They analyze the meta, exploring the dominance of combo strategies and the challenges faced by control and midrange decks. The discussion shifts to the need for better card design and alternative strategies to counter the current threats in the game, emphasizing the importance of proactive play and the limitations of traditional counterspells.