In this uncensored and deeply curious episode, Sangita Kumar and Fong Marcolongo ask a provocative question: why does inclusion feel so threatening to many teams and organizations?

They dive into how “inclusion” runs up against the norms and unspoken rules of dominant culture—the system that defines who belongs, who’s seen as “normal,” and whose ideas are considered credible .

Inside the episode, they explore:

How to move from symbolic representation to structural change that actually centers marginalized voices

With candid stories from real consulting work, tools to identify hidden cultural norms, and practices that help build psychological safety, this episode challenges listeners to shift from performative gestures to transformational inclusion.

If you’ve ever been stuck in the tension between wanting inclusion and feeling overwhelmed or unsafe, this one is for you.

🎧 Tune into Liberated AF—available on all major podcast platforms.