On this episode Abadesi talks to David Heinemeier Hansson, co-founder and CTO of Basecamp, and creator of Ruby on Rails. He is also the author of several bestselling books, including It Doesn’t Have To Be Crazy At Work, co-authored with his co-founder at Basecamp, Jason Fried.

In this episode they talk about...

* Why you should think about your company as a product.

* Why we need new role models in tech.

* How to break the cycle of overwork.

* A new way of working.

Of course, they also talk about some of his favorite products as well.

We’ll be back next week so be sure to subscribe wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. 😸