Story lover Lucinda Sage-Midgorden and I met here on Follow Your Curiosity last year. We got together this past week for a short conversation for her Patreon about why you should think about making bad art and embracing anti-perfectionism. What does that mean (and not mean), and how might it change your life? For that matter, how are we defining perfectionism—it’s often not what we expect it to be (as I learned myself when I was training as a Kaizen-Muse coach, to my great shock and, yes, horror!).

Lucinda was kind enough to share the recording of our conversation with me, and I want to share it with you. If you’ve been wondering if my Make Bad Art course is for you, you might find the answer here—for instance: whether you need to be an artist to make bad art, and if there’s a right way to make bad art (spoiler: no, and no). This conversation is short, but you’ll get a lot out of it.

Make Bad Art starts on November 4th (the day after this episode is being released), but it’s not too late to sign up, and we’d love to have you. All the details and signup info are here.

Episode breakdown:

00:00 Introduction

01:23 Kaizen-Muse coach helping creatives break perfectionism.

05:43 Realizing hidden perfectionism hinders creative projects.

09:05 Creating bad art frees creativity for good art.

10:54 Next class starts November 4; contact details provided.

14:03 Anti-perfectionism practice: Easier and fun in groups.

18:56 Need to relax and overcome perfectionism daily.

21:51 Join "Make Bad Art" starting November 4th.

Check out the full show notes (now including transcripts!!) at fycuriosity.com, and connect with me and fellow creatives on Substack.

If you enjoyed our conversation, I hope you’ll share it with a friend.